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I just bought 1000 rounds from Dale's link. Thanks! Also, I may have to investigate Wolf. $212 is almost half the price and I don't shoot enough rifle to make wearing out the chamber/throat area a real worry and I don't reload 5.56 (yet) so I really don't need the brass.
If someone will bring some extra Wolf to the C4 shoot I'll buy some from you and see how it runs.
I use wolf, but not for this class as Bob doesn't want the bi metal jacketed bullets on his new steel (which is fine).
As for wearing out the chamber. If you save $100 every 1000 rounds, after how many rounds can you pay for a new barrel?
Wolf Gold (make in ROC) is great stuff. For a while it was selling higher than XM193 stuff. I perfer it over xm193, no crimp to mess with.
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always.
AB, I have you covered for a box of wolf.
Now tell me do you really believe that B.S about steel cased ammo damaging rifles ?
It's about as maleable as brass. I have never SEEN with my own two eyes a rifle damaged by shooting wolf and have shot thousands upon thousands of rounds of it.
There steel in the barrel and the bolt is much harder than anything the ammo is made from.
Back when wolf was lacquer coated I got and saw an occasional stuck round when a round was left in a HOT chamber. I have not seen this even once since they went ot the polymer coating. By the way the polymer coating has been tested with direct heat (Blow Torch) and it has not melted or some off.
It is certainly not as hot as Lake City or some of the military ammo. It is not very dirty and gives me acceptable accuracy out to 200+ yds.
The $ savings would allow you to replace a bolt or a barrel every other case and still be ahead. But like I said I have never had to do it.
I know there are folks on here with a similar experience to mine with Wolf. In my opinion, if a carbine wont shot wolf reliably it is a carbine problem.
I have at least 4 of them in my safe that can shoot it without a problem from many different manufacturers.
I just checked my email and the order was placed with AimSurplus and it was for $219.00
Just my .02
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I may have just bought my last case of brass cased ammo, then!Originally Posted by NJC
Unless you start reloading .223
"Rule #1: Be a f-ing Warrior, every f-ing day, in every f-ing thing you do. Be a f-ing Warrior!
Rule #2: Support your men.
Rule #3: TEAMWORK! Team dynamics are absolutely important. Know your men and support them in every way."
Yes, I have 500 rounds of Wolf Gold put away for Bob's class. It is awesome. I bought some last year for $340/ 1000
"Rule #1: Be a f-ing Warrior, every f-ing day, in every f-ing thing you do. Be a f-ing Warrior!
Rule #2: Support your men.
Rule #3: TEAMWORK! Team dynamics are absolutely important. Know your men and support them in every way."
BTW, AB, et al.
Wolf doesn't make shit. They are a marketing/importing company. Ammo they sell is made by many different factories, russian, Ukrainian, Serbian, german, etc. For example I have a crap load of Heaters (cabelas) 223 steel case that is made by Tula, one of the folks who made Wolf (I think they are currently being ass fucked by the sanctions on Russia).
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always.
After YEARS of SWAT training and 10's of thousands of rounds through AR15's... Wolf does NOT cause any additional/significant wear. We went away from it simply because we would get occasional failure to fires on solid primer hits... and the fact it's just damn dirty... other than that, it proved to be economical training ammo.
Thanks Dale for the reminder... reference the steel core/bi-metal jacketed bullets.
Yes NJC... the initial standby list has been exhausted to fill the drop outs.
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The best price I am seeing on steel cased 223 is $259 at GOFUCKYOURSELF Cheaper than dirt.
And after that its in the $300 range for 1k.
Panic boys.
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always.
... and my wife thought I was a fool for reloading all that ammo over the years... and buying all that "useless" .22LR at Wal-Mart for $9.88 for the 550 round bulk pack... BUY CHEAP, STACK DEEP.
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