Shooting 400 yards with a red dot.

[Rumbler]

No, sight picture.

One of the reasons Tack and I both are saying "irons" is because with a couple of clicks one direction or the other there is no difference between a 50 yard and a 500 yard shot in terms of where you align the top of the post.

On the other hand it is the user's option whether they make those clicks or they use hold over . . or hold under. Either way there is absolutely no substitute for spending the time behind the gun learning post placement in the circle closest to your eyeball.

Dot sights are not like that. Think of them as the iMAC of rifle sights - designed for people who for whatever reason do not spend the time learning what they actually need to know either way.

. . and before the shit slinging starts . . . my AR pattern rifles have EoTechs on them. But they would not if I didn't know how to use the irons efficiently. I personally consider the dot sights beneficial because they are fast to acquire, not because of their accuracy. In fact it is my belief that those two things are at odds with each other in dot style optics. And the further away the target is the less value the dot offers . . . . again, to me anyway.

[Dale Gribble]

Ok, thanks.

Again, I'm going to try both. I did reasonably well (for me) making hits at 175 with the dot, but I didn't have my irons even close to dialed in at that point so it wasn't an option.

[NJC]

Rumbler,
True but there are very valid arguments for red dots etc and it would be a long discussion, which i think is worth having... but not in a forum like this, too much typing...

[Tack Driver]

Rumbler,
True but there are very valid arguments for red dots etc and it would be a long discussion, which i think is worth having... but not in a forum like this, too much typing...

Speak for yourself Neanderthal. Some of us type faster than we talk.

[Dale Gribble]

Here is the question.

Is it possible that you could be patrolling with your rifle, prepared for CQB (IE you have a red dot) and get pushed into a situation that you HAVE to make a shot longer than 200 yards?

I don't care what it was designed to do, I am working on the limits of my equipment and me. 3 Gun (in this case) provides a situation that I am not prepared for, just like C4 has done with the recent low light shooting.

We must improvise, adapt, overcome and get hits on target. (with all apologies to real devil dogs)

[NJC]

I can type pretty quick, but I just think sometimes the important parts of discussions get lost in this medium... I think this is one of those deals when we SHOULD set a date and time, sit in the club house at Talon and discuss this, dirty tricks, life lessons, prepping secrets etc...


Dale..Yes...but remember ROE for a cop or a .mil would be different than for you.. very limited circumstances in which I could justify a shot at that distance, may not be necessarily tru for a .mil or you.

[Dale Gribble]

Dale..Yes...but remember ROE for a cop or a .mil would be different than for you.. very limited circumstances in which I could justify a shot at that distance, may not be necessarily tru for a .mil or you.

Come to the 3 gun and shoot limited. Then you will have the circumstances.

[NJC]

Dale... did I not answer your question ?

Is there circumstances.. yes.. other than 3 gun, yes. Our Military probably do it all the time. For what I do, limited circumstances when you would engage at that distances but they exist sure.

Good luck at the 3 gun

[Dale Gribble]

Dale... did I not answer your question ?

Dude, you are wound a bit tight. Just ragging you to try and get you to come out and try something.

Its cool man.

[NJC]

or you could just stand 400 yds away from me and let me try to shoot at you ??