A saw reference to these but did not look them up until now. I am going to order some. If anyone is interested in sharing shipping, let me know.

On a related note, what are you thoughts on these:

#1 Carbine - Hi-Tek
.309 Diameter
115 Grain RN
Brinell 18
For the M1 Carbine
Hi-Tek 2-Extreme Coating
Price per box of 250
Price: $28.00

It would be interesting to see how much lead these guys leave behind.

It would also be interesting to fire these and the ones you reference above into some ballistic gel. Mike, do you still have any gel laying around?