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    The greatest consideration is get something over your vitals and leave the rest to fate or divinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jafar View Post
    Figured you would say that. From www.bulletproofme.com

    Why we Recommend Ceramic Rifle Plates OVER Steel

    Steel is less expensive than Ceramic, and can take abuse that would significantly degrade a Ceramic Rifle Plate – but still we recommend Ceramic because:
    1. Ceramic is better protection - stops Level IV armor piercing threats - better than Level III FMJ or lead-core bullet threats.
    2. Ceramic is lighter.
    3. Ceramic is Triple Curved to hug the body more closely than single-curved Steel.
    4. Steel is much more likely to cause bullet splatter, or, more seriously, ricochet, than Ceramic. (Of course, you'd probably rather take a chance on a ricochet hit, than a guaranteed hit to the body!)
    Frankly, unless you are on a VERY tight budget, we recommend Ceramic over Steel to minimize the risk from bullet splatter or ricochet. Even if you put the Extra-Thick Line-X Coating, or a Spall Cover on Steel to reduce bullet splatter, you still have not solved the ricochet problem.


    Oh, yeah, from the guys selling ceramic. Yeah, that makes sense. You and I both know that ALL of that is bad advice.

    There are plenty of tests on build up and it's effects on spalling. It's not rocket science. They shoot a plate and observe the spalling. Build-up = less or none until there are enough hits to compromise it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jafar View Post
    The greatest consideration is get something over your vitals and leave the rest to fate or divinity.
    I agree plates in the white would be better than nothing, but this argument always makes me chuckle. Why? If you can improve something, why wouldn't you?
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    With all the static over getting the right gear and training, why wouldn't you take every precaution that would KEEP you in the fight? If 30 extra shekels will keep a piece of a bullet out of your face or neck, wouldn't you think it was worth it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jafar View Post
    Figured you would say that. From www.bulletproofme.com

    Why we Recommend Ceramic Rifle Plates OVER Steel

    Steel is less expensive than Ceramic, and can take abuse that would significantly degrade a Ceramic Rifle Plate – but still we recommend Ceramic because:
    1. Ceramic is better protection - stops Level IV armor piercing threats - better than Level III FMJ or lead-core bullet threats.
    2. Ceramic is lighter.
    3. Ceramic is Triple Curved to hug the body more closely than single-curved Steel.
    4. Steel is much more likely to cause bullet splatter, or, more seriously, ricochet, than Ceramic. (Of course, you'd probably rather take a chance on a ricochet hit, than a guaranteed hit to the body!)
    Frankly, unless you are on a VERY tight budget, we recommend Ceramic over Steel to minimize the risk from bullet splatter or ricochet. Even if you put the Extra-Thick Line-X Coating, or a Spall Cover on Steel to reduce bullet splatter, you still have not solved the ricochet problem.


    How does ceramic handle getting hit by 7.6x51 or 7.62x39 three times? I would think steel has the advantage there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBronco View Post
    How does ceramic handle getting hit by 7.6x51 or 7.62x39 three times? I would think steel has the advantage there.
    Unless it is in the same location, it seems to work by to youboob videos I've seen.
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    Therein lies the problem. How many times will someone be shot in the chest before they learn not to do that again. It's a trade off. It's there to save your life but can't be over-fortified to the point that it no longer makes any sense. Combat is not safe. I'm all on board for using the right gear, but this has the proclivity to be a run away train.

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    Guys, in my opinion Jafar is right on the money.
    You wear armor to help in dangerous situations. Unfortunately you cannot wear or buy enough gear to account for all the possibilities. So you have to be as geared up as you feel is prudent but realize that sometimes stuff just happens and there is NOTHING you can do to prevent it.
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    I've heard it called the golden BB.
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    I may be found dead in a ditch, but by God, they will find me and my rights in a PILE of brass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tack Driver View Post
    I've heard it called the golden BB.
    Is that a brand of 9mm ammo?

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    no.. pet name for his penis
    "Rule #1: Be a f-ing Warrior, every f-ing day, in every f-ing thing you do. Be a f-ing Warrior!

    Rule #2: Support your men.

    Rule #3: TEAMWORK! Team dynamics are absolutely important. Know your men and support them in every way."

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