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    CCGF Depository Dale Gribble's Avatar
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    BTW. Evolution of the ar500 armor and anti fragment/spall prevention.

    http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/134...Y_.html&page=1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Gribble View Post
    Does your head extend even with or beyond the back plate? The fragments travel at 90 degrees and more.

    Roll on bed liner had been tried. It can work. For $60 or 70 bucks however it sure doesn't seem worth the hassle or risk.

    I don't think a rubber pad will help, but for it to help it would have to be glued to the plate somehow.
    I've heard of 45, but haven't heard of 90.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jafar View Post
    I've heard of 45, but haven't heard of 90.
    Debris from impact can move in any direction from normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Gribble View Post
    The fragments travel at 90 degrees and more.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jafar View Post
    I've heard of 45, but haven't heard of 90.
    Geezus.

    Everybody skipped physics, but you skipped Geometry too?
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    Shooting steel in the dark, and watching it impact the ground during the day, it looks like the majority leaves the targets at 90 degrees.
    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but a tireless minority keen to setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Father of Our Revolution, Samuel Adams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tack Driver View Post
    Shooting steel in the dark, and watching it impact the ground during the day, it looks like the majority leaves the targets at 90 degrees.
    On a flat plate, yes. On a curved plate, it can move greater than 90 degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodo View Post
    On a flat plate, yes. On a curved plate, it can move greater than 90 degrees.
    Sure, yeah, I can see that.
    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but a tireless minority keen to setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Father of Our Revolution, Samuel Adams.

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    Do you guys wanna reinvent the wheel a little bit more and be a tad more greater than thou with your opinions? It's armor plate. If you catch a ricochet to the grape after being shot in the chest than chances are it's just your time to die. If you're that worried about where the round is going, since there's no certainty anti-spalling will still keep that from happening, then you're preparing for something other than combat. Nothing's perfect in combat.

    So again, is anyone gonna buy plates or not? Fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jafar View Post
    Do you guys wanna reinvent the wheel a little bit more and be a tad more greater than thou with your opinions? It's armor plate. If you catch a ricochet to the grape after being shot in the chest than chances are it's just your time to die. If you're that worried about where the round is going, since there's no certainty anti-spalling will still keep that from happening, then you're preparing for something other than combat. Nothing's perfect in combat.

    So again, is anyone gonna buy plates or not? Fuck.
    Go get some sleep.

    Dick.

    But it's not a ricochet anybody's worried about, but the splattered fragmentation, and the buildup has proven to stop that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tack Driver View Post
    Go get some sleep.

    Dick.

    But it's not a ricochet anybody's worried about, but the splattered fragmentation, and the buildup has proven to stop that.
    Figured you would say that. From www.bulletproofme.com

    Why we Recommend Ceramic Rifle Plates OVER Steel

    Steel is less expensive than Ceramic, and can take abuse that would significantly degrade a Ceramic Rifle Plate – but still we recommend Ceramic because:
    1. Ceramic is better protection - stops Level IV armor piercing threats - better than Level III FMJ or lead-core bullet threats.
    2. Ceramic is lighter.
    3. Ceramic is Triple Curved to hug the body more closely than single-curved Steel.
    4. Steel is much more likely to cause bullet splatter, or, more seriously, ricochet, than Ceramic. (Of course, you'd probably rather take a chance on a ricochet hit, than a guaranteed hit to the body!)
    Frankly, unless you are on a VERY tight budget, we recommend Ceramic over Steel to minimize the risk from bullet splatter or ricochet. Even if you put the Extra-Thick Line-X Coating, or a Spall Cover on Steel to reduce bullet splatter, you still have not solved the ricochet problem.



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