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Thread: AR500 Steel. Some lessons learned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRD508 View Post
    Very interesting Mike. I wonder what effect it would have on gold?

    Looks like Rumbler has become the range alchemist.

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    Rumbler, when you say penetrator rounds, are you talking about the 62 grain rounds like M855?

    Because I very frequently have to repair it after an assortment of morons shoot the hell out of it with steel core or "penetrator" ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBronco View Post
    Rumbler, when you say penetrator rounds, are you talking about the 62 grain rounds like M855?
    He's talking about ANYTHING THAT STICKS TO A MAGNET.
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    Bingo.


    There is a frangible bullet made of powdered metal pressed (100 tons) into a bullet shape. But that stuff is $1.00 per shot bought in bulk so I'm thinking the likelihood of non governmental agency personnel using it to plink at steel is pretty slim . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeFingergasm View Post
    He's talking about ANYTHING THAT STICKS TO A MAGNET.
    I got that from the "steel core" part. When I see "penetrator" used, I think of M855 because of the different design to the 7.62x39 and 5.45x39. I know it will go through steel helmets, but wasn't sure how it would actually do against AR500 at 100 to 200 yards.

    Here it is at 15 yards.

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    BB, imagine that 200-1000 times per day.

    AND bear in mind that because of bullet flight angle at 100, 200 or whatever, the actual penetrative potential is increased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumbler View Post
    BB, imagine that 200-1000 times per day.

    AND bear in mind that because of bullet flight angle at 100, 200 or whatever, the actual penetrative potential is increased.
    Rumbler, I understand about the repeated hits the targets take. I was more interested in the protection factor of these me materials used in personal protection. If someone gets hit in the chest plate 200 to 1000 times, they are having a very bad day.

    Regarding the targets, I am surprised that that many people are sneaking in M855 and other steel containing ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBronco View Post
    Regarding the targets, I am surprised that that many people are sneaking in M855 and other steel containing ammo.
    Doesn't take many people. Just a few with a lot of ammo.

    With that said, ask any of "the regulars" the 100 & 200 yard ranges get a TON of use. They are almost always busy.
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