I'll stand by that and say I think we are pretty much on the same pageOriginally Posted by 0utlaw
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I'll stand by that and say I think we are pretty much on the same page
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"Stay with me; do not fear. For he who seeks your life seeks my life, but with me you shall be safe.” 1 Samuel 22:23
“This gun is liberty; hold for certain that the day when you no more have it, you will be returned to slavery.” – Toussaint L’Ouverture
I agree with this but mostly just for my building.Originally Posted by 0utlawIf I'm in a mall or other public place there is no way I would exit and re-engage. At work or other familiar places I can pretty much tell who belongs there and who doesn't, in a place full of strange faces I'm just as likely to engage a plain clothes or off duty LEO as I am the shooter and vice versa. If I see the shooter and I have the shot I'll take it but I'm not going hunting. I will try to move as many people as possible to safety and cover them as they go but when we are out we are out, but going back in Rambo style is just buying trouble.
I'll stand by that and say I think we are pretty much on the same page
"If our lives are endangered by plots or violence or armed robbers or enemies then every method of protecting ourselves is morally right" -- Cicero
"Governor, I haven't let another man touch my gun since 1861."
Dale, it is not hard to believe.
I have/had a close friend doing life without parole in Starke for shooting a guy who he woke up in the middle of the nght to find standing at the end of his bed holding a baseball bat.
His wife was in bed beside him, his two very young kids in the next room.
What is hard to believe is that it is plausible to believe that one would believe they could still get in front of a bad guys OODA loop were they to do a risk/benefit assessment prior to acting. . . . . did that make sense? I think you know what I mean . . . . if you know what an OODA loop is and how it works in relation to a gunfight.
I'd rather be lucky than good, but I'd rather KNOW I'm good than HOPE to get lucky.
Avoid the situation. This started with retreating to the car at your workplace to get your gun and go back in. I work in a courthouse where at anytime between Bailiffs (LCSO) and various city, state and county and federal police are in and out of all day. To believe that I can grab my legally stowed gun and go back into the building to win the gunfight is something I think is not within reason.What is hard to believe is that it is plausible to believe that one would believe they could still get in front of a bad guys OODA loop were they to do a risk/benefit assessment prior to acting. . . . . did that make sense? I think you know what I mean . . . . if you know what an OODA loop is and how it works in relation to a gunfight.
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always.
I don't think I could ever forgive or live with myself if I had the ability to take the fight to the enemy and didn't. Of course, people value HONOR and COURAGE differently.
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Bob, (rumber, oscarmike, 317, etc) I am glad their are people like you around. I wish I could feel the same way. However I'm not going to put up a bullshit hero screen that so many gun owners are willing to do. I have big reservations about doing the right thing outside of my family or friends. I carry a gun, I have a CWP, but I am not a cop, and I don't have shit behind me if I do my best and shit goes sideways.
Look at the total destruction around Zimmerman's life. I do not want and can not afford the same visited upon my house.
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always.
I think comparing a case like Zimmerman to a case involving confronting an active shooter (the topic of this debate) is an APPLES vs. ORANGES thing.
Look man... you HAVE A RIGHT to your opinions, I'm NOT here to judge you either way. We (people) are all different in our own way(s). No keyboard bravado here... I just don't think I'd feel good about myself if I COULD do something but CHOSE not to.
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What about the mall? Or the grocery store? Or the car dealership?
I'd rather be lucky than good, but I'd rather KNOW I'm good than HOPE to get lucky.
No idea. In all of those places I would not retreat to my car to retrieve a firearm, I would already have it.
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always.
Rumbler- WTF? On what basis was your friend convicted?
“Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”
― Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War
“Three of the greatest failings, want of sense, of courage, or of vigilance.”
― Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War
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