I think your going to like varget. I ran a batch of 308 using varget this morning through a nib $199 ruger American. I went with 165 SGK, CCI #200 primers and varget. Set them all .005 from the lans. Started at 42 gr and got consistent 3/4" groups at 100 yards. 43 gr opened up to 1". 44 gr 1 1/4". Then ran a couple sets of 45gr which took it back down to 1/2" consistently. If I get a chance I think with a little more time playing with the nodes I can get consistent groups less than 1/2". I was planning on trying 4064, but varget is the winner until hunting season is over and I have more free time. KIMG0120.jpg