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I think comparing a case like Zimmerman to a case involving confronting an active shooter (the topic of this debate) is an APPLES vs. ORANGES thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Gribble
Look man... you HAVE A RIGHT to your opinions, I'm NOT here to judge you either way. We (people) are all different in our own way(s). No keyboard bravado here... I just don't think I'd feel good about myself if I COULD do something but CHOSE not to.
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Originally Posted by Jafar
Quintessential Labrador. Not a sheepdog, definitely not a wolf or a sheep, and ready for the fight if it comes your way. If not a sheepdog, I consider it every mans duty to at least train and aspire to be the Lab.
"but I also disdain the milktose loafer wearing panty waists that spent their time playing golf and fantasy football"
Beautiful god damn quote!!! Give this man a candy bar.
I would go back in if intelligently and tactically it would make a difference. If I am plain clothes and I have a Glock 26, but Mr Bad guy has a fully auto AK and body armor, then my effectiveness is likely quite low. But maybe not, if I know the building well and know of a sound entry point that could probably get me near to his position while providing good cover........yeah I am going back in. This would be right after I made a phone call to dispatch and explained everything I knew about the situation and that I would be entering the east side of the building, wearing a red shirt, etc..........
Now if people are still pouring out and little old ladies are getting trampled on in the door ways, I am going to help them first. There are so many situational variables that saying exactly what you would do in that moment is near impossible. But I will say that every person who is not a panty waist should do whatever they can to improve the situation for maximum effect. That may be gunning him down, that may be rushing shocked people towards a door, that may be staying on the phone and giving the only available live updates to dispatch, hell....that may be driving your car into the front door and running the guy over. Who knows. Just don't be a coward.
Yep, that summed it up for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_McNasty
The part of this I'm stuck on is calling 911 and telling them that you are re-entering.
Guaranteed they will tell you not to.
If you do it anyway, and survive the incident, there is a HIGH probability of you landing in some pretty deep do-do...
MP5's.....? That's so 1980's... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Jafar
No problem, CrawPawPaw.
That is when you provide proof you have the professional training necessary in the mind of a reasonable person to conclude there was a realistic possibility your rentering stood a larger probability preserving innocents lives.
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Originally Posted by crawdaddy34
AG - You just went thru the training...
Isn't current SOP to bypass the wounded and actively seek out, engage, and neutralize the bad guy?
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Originally Posted by Rumbler
And it's just that simple right? :yup:
Someone gave me a really good perspective on whether to make that choice to get involved or not. Imagine for a moment one of the people we're talking about saving developed a curable form of cancer but they had no money and just needed $20k to live. Would you write them a check for their medications? If no, then why are you so eager to run into that situation with a gun?
While not quite apples to apples, I think it's a great analogy for deciding whether or not to get involved. In all but the best of scenarios you're going to need to hire legal council and your name may get drug through the mud (ie: Zimmerman) before you finally get clear of all the legal hurdles. By the time you factor in attorney fees, lost wages, all the possible negative attention you'll receive and stress $20k might not even come close to covering it.
I have had two instances in my life of intervening on behalf of an unknown woman getting smacked around only to have the crazy bitch come swinging at me when things went sideways. How thankful do you think the masses will be for your actions? Remember, these are the same people that suspend teenagers who step in to defend others being bullied for fighting.
I'm not saying I wouldn't take action in any scenario, but considering all the problems (LEO shooting you, legal troubles, thankless masses, etc.) I'd take a moment to really think about it before taking action.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by crawdaddy34