I assume there is a bowling pin matching tonight.

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Originally Posted by Tack Driver

LOL, but I know I'm right. Like you, I cannot believe this is actually a thing for conversation. I cannot fathom how otherwise intelligent people think you can somehow impart force on something without an equal/opposite reaction.

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No one that I know of has said that.

We have said, over and over again, that the felt recoil is different than what the target experiences.

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

No one that I know of has said that.

We have said, over and over again, that the felt recoil is different than what the target experiences.

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Uh, yeah the target experiences a bleeding hole. :dunno:

I don't know what your saying. I've been very clear about what I'm saying; The energy expended in the target CANNOT BE MORE than the force of recoil.

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Uh, yeah the target experiences a bleeding hole. :dunno:

I don't know what your saying. I've been very clear about what I'm saying; The energy expended in the target CANNOT BE MORE than the force of recoil.

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True. But that doesn't mean it feels the same, as their is another factor at work here.

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

True. But that doesn't mean it feels the same, as their is another factor at work here.

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"Feels the same"?! Obviously there are side affects like pain to having a piece of lead rip though organs and flesh.

The target experiences roughly the same or less force than the force of recoil. Jafar is disputing that.

http://youtu.be/9X6bqLBskmY

Shooting starts at 7:10, but MUCH more than that in the episode.

The target feels less force, and generally for a shorter period of time.

The shooter feels more force, and generally for a much longer period of time.

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The target feels less force, and generally for a shorter period of time.

The shooter feels more force, and generally for a much longer period of time.

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True. I don't know where you and I see this differently..........except where you mince words so you can still play the devil's advocate since both sides of this argument has an advocate. :D

Well, now, wait........I'm not so sure on the "much" greater time thing. The recoil impulse is very quick. The deceleration of the projectile in the body or the projectile going through and exiting the body is similarly very quick. By a percentage, I wouldn't argue with you. As a matter of human perception, it's very similar.

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Well, now, wait........I'm not so sure on the "much" greater time thing. The recoil impulse is very quick. The deceleration of the projectile in the body or the projectile going through and exiting the body is similarly very quick. By a percentage, I wouldn't argue with you. As a matter of human perception, it's very similar.

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Its very hard for me to make any generalizations about hitting something soft, like a body. But at one point you talked about something more solid. Like a steel plate, or bowling pin top. I would say the rate of deceleration hitting something hard and heavy like a steel plate would be quite high, and very quick.

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Its very hard for me to make any generalizations about hitting something soft, like a body. But at one point you talked about something more solid. Like a steel plate, or bowling pin top. I would say the rate of deceleration hitting something hard and heavy like a steel plate would be quite high, and very quick.

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I'm tracking now.

Yeah, but still only the difference of acceleration in the barrel (this started over a handgun round.........3-4") vs. instant deceleration. I'd be willing to bet (not quite by getting shot kinda stakes) that it would be imperceptible by the human brain.

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I'm tracking now.

Yeah, but still only the difference of acceleration in the barrel (this started over a handgun round.........3-4") vs. instant deceleration. I'd be willing to bet (not quite by getting shot kiinda stakes) that it would be imperceptible by the human brain.

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(BTW, what is kiinda?)

If the handgun was a single shot, or revolver, perhaps. However if its semi auto, then you have the bolt or slide or whatever spreading that impulse out over even more time. Plus with hand gun, what you the shoot feels is cushioned by your wrists or elbows or other parts of your body moving.