CCGF Cleaning Workshop

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Originally Posted by crawdaddy34

I have found that the best use for a poll in this type of situation is to determine the date for the event. The purpose of this thread, and my reviving it, was to see how many people would actually attend, see how that works?

However, since you are the CCGF Depository, feel free to keep track of who wants’ to come.

And it's not a matter of having your own plan. I'm sure that most of us DO have our "own plan" for keeping our weapons clean. The point is to see other options and possibly IMPROVE the way your doing it. While there may be a metric ton of data on the intrawebz about cleaning a gun, it never hurts to explore new options. You might just find something you like better/does a better job/is easier than what you are doing now. Also, I don't know about you, but I'm a very visual learner, I would rather someone show me than try to explain it.

Or you can hang with tack and jmoore and drink beer while the rest of us learn. Whatever....

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I'm just having a hard time seeing how this would occur. How many people can show you how to clean a gun before you take the now clean gun, chamber a round, and blow your own head off?

I'm trying to think of a format that would work for this without being almost useless.

I'm good with the swap meet part. But I have found that showing someone how to clean a weapon usually degrades into them suddenly becoming a genius and telling me why I'm doing it wrong:banghead:

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Originally Posted by 0317

I'm good with the swap meet part. But I have found that showing someone how to clean a weapon usually degrades into them suddenly becoming a genius and telling me why I'm doing it wrong:banghead:

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I can imagine the war that breaks out of the grease vs oil discussion.

I don't have a solid plan and would really appreciate input from others. I don't have an opinion about what to use at all or what brands. I would really appreciate hearing what people say. There are people that have been doing this a LOT longer than me and know a LOT more than me. I would like to learn from them.

I will ask questions so I understand what is going on and why. But I promise not to turn into a genius and tell you why you are wrong. :)

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

I'm just having a hard time seeing how this would occur. How many people can show you how to clean a gun before you take the now clean gun, chamber a round, and blow your own head off?

I'm trying to think of a format that would work for this without being almost useless.

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By my count there are nine members that disagree. Plus two to drink beer and watch. Fortunately, this event, like all the others, is not mandatory.

I would try to make it for beer and entertainment(cleaning workshop). Might even trade some old junk for new junk if we do the swap meet.

It'll be fun just get together learning the best way to clean stuff.

Im all for getting together and cleaning guns but most importantly getting them dirty first. :hammertime:

FWIW, I am still up for this.

And I bet I can learn you folks a thing or two about cleaning guns.


Like; all you have to do is fire a few rounds of my hand loads.

The crud all jumps off the gun and runs away - it wants no part of that. :p

Since Rumbler is up for this I am totally down for this. I loathe cleaning guns, partly because it takes me forever. So, I want to learn everything about everything. I don't see a negative to this except for those with great big ole egos. Open minds folks.

Dale, I would humbly appreciate those with considerably more knowledge and willingness to share. I am in on both!

Ok so what kind of format do you want?
1. Several presenters cleaning the same type of firearm
2. Several presenters cleaning different types of firearms (presenter 1, AR, presenter 2, Glock, presenter 3 1911, etc)
3. One presenter cleaning a firearm and 12 people telling him he's doing it wrong

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

Ok so what kind of format do you want?
1. Several presenters cleaning the same type of firearm
2. Several presenters cleaning different types of firearms (presenter 1, AR, presenter 2, Glock, presenter 3 1911, etc)
3. One presenter cleaning a firearm and 12 people telling him he's doing it wrong

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Dale, I'm really trying to NOT get my panties in a twist over this, and I understand that you like to question everything and play devils advocate...

But seriously cuz, if your not interested step off.

There are members here who have shown an interest in learning something. There are members here who have something they think is worth teaching.

Some of us don't know as much about cleaning as we would like to. You are clearly not one of them. That's fine, clean your guns the way you think is best. I'm sure you do a fine job at it. But stop cock blocking an event that folks want to participate in.



You're acting like mogar...

Lets just make this real simple people.

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Originally Posted by JMW4570

Lets just make this real simple people.

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LMAO!

Rep'd. But that's no help for the members that don't own glocks....

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Originally Posted by crawdaddy34

LMAO!

Rep'd. But that's no help for the members that don't own glocks....

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Don't hate the player........

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Originally Posted by JMW4570

Lets just make this real simple people.

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Yupp...that's how I do it. You just need his and hers dishwashers...Attachment 1907

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Originally Posted by FLT

I'll bring some dirty rifles for those that need one to clean . :drillsergeant::gunfire::yup:

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I've already offered to help . What more do you want from me? :chinscratch:

Craw, let's drink and clean. I have got several guns dirty just for the event.

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Originally Posted by crawdaddy34

Dale, I'm really trying to NOT get my panties in a twist over this, and I understand that you like to question everything and play devils advocate...

But seriously cuz, if your not interested step off.

There are members here who have shown an interest in learning something. There are members here who have something they think is worth teaching.

Some of us don't know as much about cleaning as we would like to. You are clearly not one of them. That's fine, clean your guns the way you think is best. I'm sure you do a fine job at it. But stop cock blocking an event that folks want to participate in.



You're acting like mogar...

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I'm actually trying to figure out what people want, because as I can see thus far this is an amorphous blob. Some kind of plan and agenda needs to be made to make this event useful. Do you disagree?

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Originally Posted by Jafar

My preferred method was the shower, so I guess I'll have to sit this one out.

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Please...

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

I'm actually trying to figure out what people want, because as I can see thus far this is an amorphous blob. Some kind of plan and agenda needs to be made to make this event useful. Do you disagree?

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No Dale, your not. Your telling everyone that this is a waste of time and unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

I'm actually trying to figure out what people want, because as I can see thus far this is an amorphous blob. Some kind of plan and agenda needs to be made to make this event useful. Do you disagree?

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Absolutely a plan and agenda needs to be made. However, that plan is LARGELY dictated by the attendees. Hence my trying to get an idea of who all would be interested. It's kinda hard to plan a date/time/location/agenda when you don't know who (if anyone) is going to be there.

I'm not going to get baited into a pissing contest with you over this bro. You made it clear three times (in case your unclear about what I mean by that, I made it easy, your posts below are what I'm referring to) that you had no interest in this type of class and that you thought it was a waste of time. If you want to keep trying to undermine it go ahead, there's not a thing in the world I can do to stop that. But it's a shitty thing to do and you know it. Personally I think you should do something constructive to help or get out of the way.

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

Can we start with a poll of how many people would actually attend? With all the info on cleaning guns on the web, and everywhere else I just don't understand how anyone doesn't have their own plan by now. Well, except newer shooters like TS.

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

I'm just having a hard time seeing how this would occur. How many people can show you how to clean a gun before you take the now clean gun, chamber a round, and blow your own head off?

I'm trying to think of a format that would work for this without being almost useless.

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

Ok so what kind of format do you want?
1. Several presenters cleaning the same type of firearm
2. Several presenters cleaning different types of firearms (presenter 1, AR, presenter 2, Glock, presenter 3 1911, etc)
3. One presenter cleaning a firearm and 12 people telling him he's doing it wrong

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No, I'm not. Actually in two of the three posts you quoted I asked questions. Seeming even valid questions.

I'm trying to see what format this is going to take, to see if it would be of interest TO ME. Sorry if that upsets you.

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

No, I'm not. Actually in two of the three posts you quoted I asked questions. Seeming even valid questions.

I'm trying to see what format this is going to take, to see if it would be of interest TO ME. Sorry if that upsets you.

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I'm just having a hard time seeing how this would occur. How many people can show you how to clean a gun before you take the now clean gun, chamber a round, and blow your own head off?

Is that ^ your definition of a valid question?


You already made it clear it didn't interest you, so I'm gonna call bullshit on that.

It has zero to do with upseting me. You're missing the point. There are members that want this to happen. You pissing all over the parade because you don't like the idea is counter productive.

ETA: Also, I meant what I said, if you want to do something constructive to help bring this about that's great.

God damn, go get some vagisil or douche or whatever you need.

I would be willing to present my home made electric bore cleaner.

Now, what can you do to be productive other than wash your vagina?

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

God damn, go get some vagisil or douche or whatever you need.

I would be willing to present my home made electric bore cleaner.

Now, what can you do to be productive other than wash your vagina?

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See, now that's acctually helpfull.

Who else wants to volunteer to teach some stuff?

Once we know WHO we can start working out dates...

Mudbug's on a roll.

I know in nerd world, we have things called "chalk talks". I don't know if that concept is in other worlds or not. Essentially, its a facilitated open forum. Maybe one or two people "run" the meeting but its mostly people talking about best practices and asking questions to the group. Maybe there are some lose planned demos to fill down time in case everyone is sitting on their hands. But mostly its a very liquid discussion without a set agenda.

I think with the various experience levels and the pure magnitude of different guns out there, this might be a good approach. I mean if you have an entire session on how to field strip and clean a 1911, a lot of people would not be interested. But if you have open dialogues about lube, cleaners, technique/approaches, etc, that might be interesting to people at all levels.

I dunno. Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by crawdaddy34

See, now that's acctually helpfull.

Who else wants to volunteer to teach some stuff?

Once we know WHO we can start working out dates...

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I was trying to avoid setting a direction, because that is imposing my will. I was trying to see WHAT or HOW folks thought this should go. But since you fucked that up worse than a soup sandwich.

As a matter of fact, Crawdaddy was only trying to figure out how to put this thing together and what the general interest was. You've been pissing in his glass and are now trying to tell him it's adding flavor.

Mudbug has coordinated a couple of pretty successful events, in my opinion. Now, both of you, let's keep the penis waving in the shack and move on with getting this together as clearly there's interest.


Do we have any ideas for where to do this? I think the size and location of the venue will have a pretty big impact on the style of presentation.

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

I was trying to avoid setting a direction, because that is imposing my will. I was trying to see WHAT or HOW folks thought this should go. But since you fucked that up worse than a soup sandwich.

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Did you just have a stroke halfway thru a sentence???


Seriously, while I can understand that, your goin about it all wrong. If you have an suggestion, put it out there. You have been here long enough to know that the final direction will be what the group as a whole wants/needs it to be.

Playing negative nancy IS counter-productive. You can try to twist shit to suit your fantasy all day, that doesn't change the reality.

Now, if your quite done with your whining ma'am, we have an event to plan...





Surfer, that is a GREAT fuckin idea.

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Originally Posted by jonastio

As a matter of fact, Crawdaddy was only trying to figure out how to put this thing together and what the general interest was. You've been pissing in his glass and are now trying to tell him it's adding flavor.

Mudbug has coordinated a couple of pretty successful events, in my opinion. Now, both of you, let's keep the penis waving in the shack and move on with getting this together as clearly there's interest.


Do we have any ideas for where to do this? I think the size and location of the venue will have a pretty big impact on the style of presentation.

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Yes, sir. Sorry.


(damn, it showed up on the what's new page..)


As to the location....

I don't know what the rules and requirements are for renting the class room at Talon, but they have a BIG ASS whiteboard.....

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Originally Posted by Jafar

I'd be willing to come and hang out no matter what we're doing as long as the location is within a three mile radius of my house in Georgia. Maybe have it outdoors since the weather is getting nice and put some meat over an open flame, and wash it down with some tall cool budweisers?

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FIFY.

I would like to see a couple of other folks step up with some unique ways to clean guns/gun parts.

Ultrasonic would be nice to see. I've only dabbled in it a little.

Having someone discuss how/why and what to clean would be useful to, especially how shooters of lead bullets face different cleaning that those shooting copper jacketed, why cleaning the barrel reduces accuracy, etc.

Some of the store bought methods vs non-store bought.

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

I would like to see a couple of other folks step up with some unique ways to clean guns/gun parts.

Ultrasonic would be nice to see. I've only dabbled in it a little.

Having someone discuss how/why and what to clean would be useful to, especially how shooters of lead bullets face different cleaning that those shooting copper jacketed, why cleaning the barrel reduces accuracy, etc.

Some of the store bought methods vs non-store bought.

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That's what I'm talking about. Maybe a discussion on what you clean every time you return from shooting and what you do every so many rounds or months or whatever (and maybe there is no distinguishing between the two). I am all about this type of discussion.

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

I would like to see a couple of other folks step up with some unique ways to clean guns/gun parts.

Ultrasonic would be nice to see. I've only dabbled in it a little.

Having someone discuss how/why and what to clean would be useful to, especially how shooters of lead bullets face different cleaning that those shooting copper jacketed, why cleaning the barrel reduces accuracy, etc.

Some of the store bought methods vs non-store bought.

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I'm down with all of that...

My only reservation on the ultrasonic is will it be usefull to enough people to make it worth devoting time to...

I don't know so I'm asking. What's the startup cost on an ultrasonic system? We use ultrasonic lab equipment where I work and that shit is HELLA expensive.....

http://i.imgur.com/TOOfX.gif

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Originally Posted by surfer5

...a discussion on what you clean every time you return from shooting ...

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1911's

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Originally Posted by surfer5

...what you do every so many rounds or months or whatever ....

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Glock's




You mean like that??? :outtahere:

Ultrasonic can be cheap, $60 bucks at HF.

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Originally Posted by crawdaddy34

Seriously, while I can understand that, your goin about it all wrong. If you have an suggestion, put it out there. You have been here long enough to know that the final direction will be what the group as a whole wants/needs it to be.

Playing negative nancy IS counter-productive. You can try to twist shit to suit your fantasy all day, that doesn't change the reality.

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You are asking how many people are going to show up for an unplanned event at an unspecified time and location and I'm being negative by asking what KIND of format are you looking at?

Fruck no wonder this country is going down the shitter.

Do I need to borrow the get along shirt here??????????:dunno:

Alright, moving along. What stuffs would you like to see?

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

You are asking how many people are going to show up for an unplanned event at an unspecified time and location and I'm being negative by asking what KIND of format are you looking at?

Fruck no wonder this country is going down the shitter.

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LMAO! Ok dale.

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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble

Alright, moving along. What stuffs would you like to see?

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Honestly, I really like surfers plan. A low key informal forum/show and tell sounds like it could be very informative...

I really don't have an opinion of my own, it's one of those "I don't know what I don't know" kinda things. Besides, I don't have anywhere NEAR the collections most of ya'll do; so most of my time will probably be spent ogleing all the guys equipment.
You are all welcome for that btw... :wavey:

I would like to volunteer to study the proper BAC for gun cleaning, or at least watching folks clean guns:gfuf:

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Originally Posted by Jafar

I could just tell you I was gonna be there and just wait til the last minute and then be "sick." :nutkick:

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fruck....

I keep buying Chemical trap adapters but dont know how to use them. :shrug: anybody have a suggestion?

I'm in depending on where and when. I'll even bring a weapon thats a really bad copper-fouler. Nice thing about these events is learning .

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Originally Posted by HarleyBrent

I keep buying Chemical trap adapters but dont know how to use them. :shrug: anybody have a suggestion?

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You are joking right?

Oh well I just cleaned all my guns...was waiting to learn better technique