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Originally Posted by NJC

That's OG right there.
I think he indirectly called out a lot of big names.
I bet Chris costa and Cory (of Cory and Erica fame) are busting a blood vessel.

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Probably so. He has a point; if I was really scanning for more targets, you can bet your ass the pistol would be up.

Sounds familiar... I have mentioned and challenged that "snatch back" BS I see guys do in my classes.

The first time I allowed pistol transitions in class I had to stop class and address the same issues... pulling the pistol back off target, failure to maintain DF, failure to acquire a secondary sight picture, and failure to access the target. Seeing Mac address this tells me I've received good training because that's how I was trained...

Lawrence has a video of it but I would not let him post it because I was a dick about it... sorry to the guys I chastised that day. In fact, I had to address it this past weekend with a couple shooters.

I think this is a symptom of the 180° range. Instructors want to come up with a way for people to scan left and right but didn't want them to most sweep the whole line and doing the process. What we came up with was basically a generation with the training scar

We did 360 sweeps after courses of fire. Went to Sewell so that we didn't cap anybody.

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Originally Posted by NJC

I think this is a symptom of the 180° range. Instructors want to come up with a way for people to scan left and right but didn't want them to most sweep the whole line and doing the process. What we came up with was basically a generation with the training scar

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Maybe the head turn... but the tacticool pistol pullback? Where the heck did that come from? It's like some shooters who assume position SUL instead of a good low ready.

I'm not for or against them. Retention positions have their function. They are just a moment in time. When it becomes the destination as opposed to part of the trip it is bad.

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Originally Posted by Airgator0470

Maybe the head turn... but the tacticool pistol pullback? Where the heck did that come from? It's like some shooters who assume position SUL instead of a good low ready.

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I don't think I've ever seen anyone do the "tactical pullback." As far as going to close ready, "position 3" or Sul (where did that even come from?) as opposed to a proper low ready, the jury is still out for me. I'm going to run a few drills, and probably put a few C4 victims through them as well to see if there is any speed or accuracy advantage. It's something some co-workers and I have been discussing. I may start a thread.

I think the 'pullback' started as a pre-holstering maneuver. The shooter is done with that round of shots and is about to reholster. Just before doing so, he pulls back, does a last quick scan, and holsters. In this case, it makes some sense. But I think some people took that shit to the next level because they thought it looked cool.

Who knows. That's how I thought it came about. If anyone ever sees me do it, call me out on it.

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Originally Posted by AB

I don't think I've ever seen anyone do the "tactical pullback." As far as going to close ready, "position 3" or Sul (where did that even come from?) as opposed to a proper low ready, the jury is still out for me. I'm going to run a few drills, and probably put a few C4 victims through them as well to see if there is any speed or accuracy advantage. It's something some co-workers and I have been discussing. I may start a thread.

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I don't think its supposed to be an alternative to low ready. Its a transitional point from low ready back to holster. I've dealt with threats I know, I don't want to muzzle sweep anyone as I scan my six for other threats, but I don't want to go all the way back to the holster.

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Originally Posted by AB

I don't think I've ever seen anyone do the "tactical pullback." As far as going to close ready, "position 3" or Sul (where did that even come from?) as opposed to a proper low ready, the jury is still out for me. I'm going to run a few drills, and probably put a few C4 victims through them as well to see if there is any speed or accuracy advantage. It's something some co-workers and I have been discussing. I may start a thread.

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Position SUL started with this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq-amA56Ge4

I agree with the three purposes... as well as the modified SUL for vehicle ops.