So…when we gonna do this again gents?
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So…when we gonna do this again gents?
I've got as much as I can carry at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jafar
I want a side plate and a carrier for my bulldog's chest. Sammy needs ballistic protection too.
Attachment 3459 Sammy says...Need me some body armor....
Shoot, I'll throw in just to see this dog wear AR500. With our logo on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMW4570
Dale knows faggy things like sewing. He can whip something up.
So…who wants to do this..
We are an AR500 dealer. I can't offer the Group Buy price but I should be able to offer the Group Buy price plus shipping, which should still be less with tax and everything than what it costs from AR500 direct.
Being able to sew tents, sails, and molle gear isn't faggy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tack Driver
Playing golf however is quite faggy.
This really confuses me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Gribble
So it's not just basic physics then. Good to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jafar
We ate the shipping with the group buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jafar
Do you get confused easily?
Gotcha. So can I place one order through you without anyone else joining right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Gribble
Been taking care of sick wife and baby since last Sunday, running on about 10 hours of sleep since then. Cut me some slack, dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tack Driver
I believe so. I don't know if we have minimum order, but I'll cross that bridge right before I burn it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jafar
See, now that actually is confusing. Don't burn bridges with the vendor, I could only imagine how long it would take if they have to ferry down the river.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Gribble
I might be in. I missed all the prices and whatnot last time. I want to get front back and sides. I don't know where the price sheets are. What range are we talking?
Give em a year then you'll want more. Just like Pamela Anderson did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tack Driver
Something I didn't really think about til this moment. I'm not getting Line-X on mine. Sure they'll save you from spalling. But only after the round has exploded 2 magazines, a med kit, a radio, and flashlight into my face.
I would get at least a pair of front/back plates this go around.
The come with line-x regardless from AR500.com.
And after shooting steel that was not protected at all, I will use Line-x and I am thinking about a kevlar envelope as well.
I believe their are several online story's and pics of US Soldiers who had magazines shot and the armor still saved them. The fragments of a FMJ round hitting your neck seems deadly if allowed to occur.
All the order options from ar and from your price list show the Line-X ones as different models and price, correct?
The all have line X base coat. You can pay extra for the line-x Build up (thicker coat of line-x).
Except it isn't line-x, its a line-x coating called Paxcon, supposedly used by the .mil.
http://www.linex.com/pages/2010/military/
Thoughts on this upgrade? I was thinking of getting the more expensive plates because I didn't think the cheaper ones had the line x coating. But now that I know they all do, I don't know if I care about the extra line x and I'm now thinking of staying with the cheaper option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Gribble
Yeah, same here.
I INTENDED to go with a build-up front, and none on the back and sides. I ended up with build-up front and back.
If you're a DIY kinda guy, I wonder how well, the roll on truck bed liner stuff would work, or if a dense rubber pad over it wouldn't be better.
Anybody pad the back of their plates?
That is the exact configuration I was thinking I would do (upgrade front plate only) if I did any upgrade. What made you change your mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tack Driver
It was changed for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by surfer5
I think you've got it figured out. That's how BR ordered his and it got me to thinking. I don't really see how spalling can get you off the back plate. I might try a DIY buildup on my side plates though. The thought of getting hit in one of those is terrifying.
Does your head extend even with or beyond the back plate? The fragments travel at 90 degrees and more.
Roll on bed liner had been tried. It can work. For $60 or 70 bucks however it sure doesn't seem worth the hassle or risk.
I don't think a rubber pad will help, but for it to help it would have to be glued to the plate somehow.
BTW. Evolution of the ar500 armor and anti fragment/spall prevention.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/134...Y_.html&page=1
I've heard of 45, but haven't heard of 90.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Gribble
Debris from impact can move in any direction from normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jafar
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Originally Posted by Dale Gribble
Geezus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jafar
Everybody skipped physics, but you skipped Geometry too?
Shooting steel in the dark, and watching it impact the ground during the day, it looks like the majority leaves the targets at 90 degrees.
On a flat plate, yes. On a curved plate, it can move greater than 90 degrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tack Driver
Sure, yeah, I can see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bodo
Do you guys wanna reinvent the wheel a little bit more and be a tad more greater than thou with your opinions? It's armor plate. If you catch a ricochet to the grape after being shot in the chest than chances are it's just your time to die. If you're that worried about where the round is going, since there's no certainty anti-spalling will still keep that from happening, then you're preparing for something other than combat. Nothing's perfect in combat.
So again, is anyone gonna buy plates or not? Fuck.
Go get some sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jafar
Dick.
But it's not a ricochet anybody's worried about, but the splattered fragmentation, and the buildup has proven to stop that.
Figured you would say that. From www.bulletproofme.comQuote:
Originally Posted by Tack Driver
Why we Recommend Ceramic Rifle Plates OVER Steel
Steel is less expensive than Ceramic, and can take abuse that would significantly degrade a Ceramic Rifle Plate – but still we recommend Ceramic because:
1. Ceramic is better protection - stops Level IV armor piercing threats - better than Level III FMJ or lead-core bullet threats.Frankly, unless you are on a VERY tight budget, we recommend Ceramic over Steel to minimize the risk from bullet splatter or ricochet. Even if you put the Extra-Thick Line-X Coating, or a Spall Cover on Steel to reduce bullet splatter, you still have not solved the ricochet problem.
2. Ceramic is lighter.
3. Ceramic is Triple Curved to hug the body more closely than single-curved Steel.
4. Steel is much more likely to cause bullet splatter, or, more seriously, ricochet, than Ceramic. (Of course, you'd probably rather take a chance on a ricochet hit, than a guaranteed hit to the body!)
The greatest consideration is get something over your vitals and leave the rest to fate or divinity.
Oh, yeah, from the guys selling ceramic. Yeah, that makes sense. You and I both know that ALL of that is bad advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jafar
There are plenty of tests on build up and it's effects on spalling. It's not rocket science. They shoot a plate and observe the spalling. Build-up = less or none until there are enough hits to compromise it.
I agree plates in the white would be better than nothing, but this argument always makes me chuckle. Why? If you can improve something, why wouldn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jafar
With all the static over getting the right gear and training, why wouldn't you take every precaution that would KEEP you in the fight? If 30 extra shekels will keep a piece of a bullet out of your face or neck, wouldn't you think it was worth it?
How does ceramic handle getting hit by 7.6x51 or 7.62x39 three times? I would think steel has the advantage there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jafar
Unless it is in the same location, it seems to work by to youboob videos I've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBronco
Therein lies the problem. How many times will someone be shot in the chest before they learn not to do that again. It's a trade off. It's there to save your life but can't be over-fortified to the point that it no longer makes any sense. Combat is not safe. I'm all on board for using the right gear, but this has the proclivity to be a run away train.
Guys, in my opinion Jafar is right on the money.
You wear armor to help in dangerous situations. Unfortunately you cannot wear or buy enough gear to account for all the possibilities. So you have to be as geared up as you feel is prudent but realize that sometimes stuff just happens and there is NOTHING you can do to prevent it.
I've heard it called the golden BB.
Is that a brand of 9mm ammo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tack Driver
no.. pet name for his penis