Draw and Mag Change Challenge

[AB]

I take the entire month of December largely off from shooting and working out. The working out actually stops the week of Thanksgiving if I'm being honest. I'm a little more off my game than usual come this Jan 1 because the munchkin being around is actually very distracting!

I started working out and dry firing again yesterday, which brought me around to doing one of my "get off the couch, turn off Diablo 3 (or any of the Elder Scrolls games, or some of the X Com series!), and start functioning again" drills.

Sounds easy, but I promise it's not as easy as it sounds.

Do 100 draws to the dry fire "click" and do 100 mag changes without taking a break or stopping more than necessary to reset the drill. You can break them up any way you like. 10 and 10, 20 and 20, ect. as long as you do 100 of each without appreciable stopping. When I'm just starting out again, I find that around #50 on each, my shoulders are starting to get tired and, if I'm not being lazy about my grip, my forearms are on fire. Around #75 (so I've done 150 reps between mag changes and draws), it takes effort to focus and slow down to not be sloppy or start training bad habits. The mix of maintaining mental focus on the rep while forcing myself through fatigue is...something.

Like I said, sounds easy. I realize I could slouch on it and not actually grip the gun like I do when it's about to go off (which I squeeze it like it's a rattlesnake trying to bite me) and make it easier, but I would literally be wasting my time dry firing at that point. The point is to make it as close to live fire as you can.

Try it out, even if just once.

There is a slightly more frustrating version of the mag change drill. Do 10 perfect mag changes in a row. If you bobble one even a little bit, start the count over. The stress of getting to 8 and knowing there's only two to go has actually sometimes bitten me! I've done this drill until I couldn't hold the gun up any more because I wasn't disciplined enough to just slow the heck down and knock out 10 perfect mag changes. Good times.

[seadog]

I'll have to try that. I've been slacking lately also,but for other reasons.
Thanks for that motivational post.

[Evil_McNasty]

By far, the best shooting I have done has been after months of sore hands and forearms from so much practice. You make some excellent points there. Sounds like some good drills.

[NJC]

Agree 100%
Been following ABs advice and dry firing on my days off. That an a tweak in my grip has fixed my pistol shooting remarkably.

[Jafar]

Screw plain ole dry firing. Get a Laserlyte trainer and dry fire while getting immediate feedback of where your round hits. Plus it's a rimless laser, so you can rack the slide as much as you like and it stays right in there.

[AB]

I have a better than average ability to track my sights and call my shots. I can pretty much always tell when the striker falls where the sights are/were. There's a few drills on how to learn how to call your shots, but they are all a bit esoteric and I really think it boils down to a bunch of rounds downrange while trying to develop that particular skill.

[mattb]

100 draw strokes is hardcore. At my best, I did 50 "good" draws per day. Kudos to you for the intensity.

[Triad]

This is assuming keeping eyes on the target while reloading, as this officer did while demonstrating combat reload for my camera?

http://artbiz.com/images/Talon/kevin-morgan/_DSC1256-morgan-reload.jpg

[AB]

I keep my gun higher than that during a normal reload. I can see both the gun and the target at the same time.

[AB]

100 draw strokes is hardcore. At my best, I did 50 "good" draws per day. Kudos to you for the intensity.

Thanks!

[Triad]

I keep my gun higher than that during a normal reload. I can see both the gun and the target at the same time.

Thanks for that info AB - he was having a hard time lowering his gun for this photo.
I wanted everything tight and compressed for the photo. Not so easy to get everything just right without a little artistic license and some direction.
I had him do the drill at least 30-40 times, in a row, wrong way, just for the photo.
Hope it didn't screw up his kung-fu after that for a while.

I'd like to photograph you doing drills some day out at the range.

[NJC]

insert high speed camera joke here.

[AB]

I'm in for that, Triad. The camera is a great way to critique things!

[0utlaw]

This is assuming keeping eyes on the target while reloading, as this officer did while demonstrating combat reload for my camera?

http://artbiz.com/images/Talon/kevin-morgan/_DSC1256-morgan-reload.jpg


Great picture! I was going to comment that his hearing protection wasn't going to do any good dangling from his neck but if you're swapping an empty mag for another empty mag I guess it's not that loud.

[Jafar]

Is he dropping a mag by using his bird finger?

[0utlaw]

:nope:

Trigger finger

[0utlaw]

South Paws :dunno:

[Rumbler]

Is he dropping a mag by using his bird finger?

Yes he is.

And in the FWIW department I can definitely corroborate Triad's "this is a photo composition as opposed to genuine action" statement. I've worked with this guy. Morgan (his name) is one bad motor scooter for real.


. . . even if he shoots with the wrong primary hand. :roflmao:

[Triad]

This was a working photo and was during the process of getting a "real" one, which I can't show. As discussed, many takes in order to get the final image. Morgan was a real sport and it was an honor to work with him (also Kevin). I agree with Mike - he is totally tricked out. In other "real-fire" photos, I had to trust him fully, and in his case (as well as other trained professionals during this photo shoot), it was easy. Completely professional and highly skilled. Again a real honor to work with him.

You don't get this close without complete trust - trust they won't accidentally shoot you, and trust that their close-quarters training won't fail. In order to get the action shots I wanted, the camera lens angle had to be just right, in order to capture barrel flash, I had to be almost in the line of fire:

http://artbiz.com/images/Talon/kevin-morgan/_DSC1719.jpg

These are some serious highly trained professionals. Once I explained what I was after, they answered my questions about safety to my satisfaction and we went ahead, without a hitch. It really is an honor to get an inside glimpse of their world, one that is not often seen.

The training AB is talking about is so critical, and I was impressed at how good these guys are.

Looking forward to working with you, one day too, AB.

http://artbiz.com/images/Talon/kevin-morgan/_DSC1562-Kevin-Morgan.jpg

Consider that one is right-handed, one is left-handed - it meant that their normal "front foot forward" had to be changed in order to get this photo. A few drills and good to go - right in step and in sync.

http://artbiz.com/images/Talon/kevin-morgan/_DSC1633-kevin-morgan.jpg

What training aspect so ingrained, is evident in this photo, above? (Bearing in mind this is a split-second image capture).
Answer relates to the OP.

[Jafar]

There goes that whole ball of the foot thing. Good quality photos though.

[Triad]

I believe I caught him in stride, taking off, so perhaps difficult to say, unless you would prefer a flat footed shuffle for more stability.... if that's what you mean. This was a more "quick walk" I asked them to do for the photo setup that followed.

You didn't see what's happening in the bottom photo? Something important going on there.

Glad you liked the photos.

[Jafar]

I believe I caught him in stride, taking off, so perhaps difficult to say, unless you would prefer a flat footed shuffle for more stability.... if that's what you mean. This was a more "quick walk" I asked them to do for the photo setup that followed.

You didn't see what's happening in the bottom photo? Something important going on there.

Glad you liked the photos.
Yeah, from ball of the foot to ball of the foot while in motion. Keeps the head from bobbing up and down, keeping the sights on target. Also allows squeezing the trigger from ball to ball while have rigid recoil abutment. Also used to keep the shooter from stepping on or in something he can't get back out of. Also keeps the shooter from stumbling over debris by sweeping foot. If he's on the heel its because he planted it. Anal, I understand, but that's kinda what we do.

Yeah. His slide was locked to the rear after running dry and his finger transitioned to straight and off the trigger.

[Triad]

Good observation on the lock-back and finger transition. Remember this is a sequence of perhaps 40-50- photos, with me tracking beside them. His next split second move was to combat reload without breaking stride or synchronicity. I liked this photo because it showed the discipline of returning to off-trigger even if split-second, before transitioning to reload. This is what AB is talking about - so much drilling, it just becomes second nature. I have to admit, I was surprised when I saw this frame - I would have thought it would have been to go directly from firing to combat reload, in this situation. Impressive discipline. (Of course bearing in mind I asked them to boogie and rapid fire as quickly as possible).

[Rumbler]

J, I have also seen rolling on the edge of the foot used for folks that just can't seem to stop bobbing their heads. . . maybe it is just for fat people who tend to . . waddle, I use it to good effect as long as the knees stay flexible (bent).

My only point being there is more than one way to skin a cat and still wind up with a high quality skinned cat. :)

[Jafar]

J, I have also seen rolling on the edge of the foot used for folks that just can't seem to stop bobbing their heads. . . maybe it is just for fat people who tend to . . waddle, I use it to good effect as long as the knees stay flexible (bent).

My only point being there is more than one way to skin a cat and still wind up with a high quality skinned cat. :)

Well, he works at Talon so he undoubtedly learned that technique from serving with the Kangaroo Cavalry in space and fighting through Nazi moon bases where he swallowed a nuclear warhead in order to save the inhabitants of the 9 known dimensions. Somehow conveniently, there's no quasar room clearing classes on the site but I'll need to email Avery to try to line it up. We know, we know.

:wiggle:

[Rumbler]

Pretty sure it is 10 dimensions in all . . . . The tenth is a closely guarded secret of the Socialist Republic of Milkheadedness.;)

[NJC]

Just did mine...

[AB]

How was it?

[NJC]

well it was twice as many draws as I usually do..30 were strong hand only and the last 10 were done with my left hand..getting the best sight picture and keeping it after that many draws kinda sucked so they took a lot longer than the others.

[NJC]

Just did another hundo draws and dry fires, F the pretenders !

"Anything in life worth doing is worth overdoing, moderation is for cowards"

[Josh]

AB you try to do this every day? Also do you combine the draw/dry fire and mag changes or do them completely separate?

[AB]

I do it every other day, because I work out on the off days. Between work and the munchkin, time is at a premium so I have enough time to train one thing per day. I have enough true-weight dummy rounds to fill one magazine, so I do them separately. I never practice draws with a "light" gun, because it throws the balance off. I also never practice mag changes with an empty mag for the same reason. For complete clarification, I drop an empty magazine from the gun during dry fire mag changes. A loaded mag will evacuate the magwell faster than an empty one and also hide any mild hiccups in the process.

To make sure my mag changes are slick, I have run a sander with 600 grit over the mags and give the top third a coat of automotive wax. Super slick.

[Evil_McNasty]

I have run a sander with 600 grit over the mags and give the top third a coat of automotive wax. Super slick.


Now that is an interesting approach. I have never heard of anyone doing that. I will have to try this.

[AB]

It's frustrating to hit the eject button and have the mag hang up, and as polymer mags get subjected to abuse they get out of spec slightly and need some tuning. In most cases, I'd just ditch the mag in the trash and get another one but Glock 22 mags were scarce last time I looked. Easy to get with a new gun, which is where they were all going.

Might have to look into availability again, my mags are getting fairly beaten up.

[Evil_McNasty]

Yeah I have definitely seen the fuzzy plastic build up on the outer shell of Glock mags. And the hang up as well. I have found myself recently doing the flip/rotation thing to sling the empty mags out. I will try to slick them up like you said.

[NJC]

another hundo !

[NJC]

this thread had dropped off...

did another hundo, third this week...

[AB]

I think it got wrapped up with the workout thread! I've been hitting it hard as well. Some new motivation was presented and it's gotten me fired up.

[Josh]

Yeah I put mine in the work put thread too, but I hit a hundo last night. That was after a forearm workout at lunch.

[Josh]

I need to find some old glock mags so I can start mag change drills.

[NJC]

I actually enjoy the dry fire, I can feel the correct grip and technique along with trigger press ,the little nuances in technique that make a good shooter better.

[AB]

I have a dedicated dry fire mag. I still use it in live fire but it is getting really worn out between the two. The feed lips are starting to randomly spit out rounds during dry fire. I'll post a pic next time I think about it.

[Dale Gribble]

The feed lips are starting to randomly spit out rounds during dry fire.

Not sure why a magazine used for dry fire would have rounds in it.. Maybe that word doesn't mean what I think it does?

:dunno:

[AB]

I have properly weighted dummy rounds.

Post #32...

[Jafar]

I have properly weighted dummy rounds.

Dale's familiar with being a properly weighted dummy.

[AB]

Here's the photo. It doesn't look as beat up in the picture as it does in real life, but you can see the dent in the follower and where the polymer has stripped away from the steel on the right side and where it is lifting away from the left.4605

[Dale Gribble]

Gotcha. Do you chamber dummy rounds from that mag as well?

[AB]

Yep. I still use it for live fire at the range with no issues at all as well, but I see those days are probably numbered.

[NJC]

another hundred draw strokes and dry fires... why ? because I dont drink or golf and the wife said it's too early to bring out the big gun ;-)

[AB]

Went to the range today. Turned a crappy beginning into a mediocre day, but I identified some weaknesses. I did 100 draws before I started shooting.

Now for some perspective. I was at a big match (the Bianchi Cup) with some of the world's best. I was squadded with Doug Koenig. I watched him do 100 draws before each course of fire.

[NJC]

Another hundred. Draw is very fast now and I can feel the correct technique.
Range was not open till ten today so I will have to wait till Tuesdays c4 to confirm.

[NJC]

'nother century

[NJC]

another hundred last night....
this thread is kinda lonely...

[Frady]

Serious question AB: what's your PAR time on a diaper change?

[Josh]

Yeah man I have been slacking. Back on it tonight. I definitely feel the difference now more when I mess something up (grip, draw, finger position, trigger pull)

[AB]

Depends on if there is a ND while the diaper is off. That adds a TON of time!

[NJC]

I bet Mrs. AB makes Mr. AB look like a rookie !
She probably does the magpul diaper drop and flip thing too !

[FLT]

Depends on if there is a ND while the diaper is off. That adds a TON of time!

What makes you think it's negligent ? They seem to be timed precisely for the most inopportune time of the procedure.

[NJC]

another hundred.....I think I may be OCD

[AB]

Good habit to be in!

[NJC]

Another Hundred and there will be one tomorrow.

I expect to see some real results when I am shooting ALL NEXT WEEK !

#lovemyjob
#shootammoididntpayfor
#beatsthepantsoffgolf

[AB]

I've been slacking on the mag changes and draws, but I've been working hard on getting into and out of shooting positions lately. There's only so many hours in a day!

[NJC]

Did a bunch of draws and mag changes over the last two days. Today I worked entirely in gloves.

[Bill]

Another Hundred and there will be one tomorrow.

I expect to see some real results when I am shooting ALL NEXT WEEK !

#lovemyjob
#shootammoididntpayfor
#beatsthepantsoffgolf

You're a bit old for hashtags, aren't you?

[NJC]

Well 40 is the new 30 you know....

[FLT]

Mother nature and Father time will correct your opinion on that in due time.

[NJC]

FLT, I've been in my fortys for a few years now and my body does not respond like it did in my twentys. I work hard to maintain what I deem an acceptible level of fitness and it is not easy.

However I certainly wont give fuckers like Bill an inch..//insert dick joke here// and I know he would not expect any less.

[NJC]

'nother hundo tonight.... Very fast out of the holster.. might have to time it at the range next time.

[AB]

The work does pay off!

[NJC]

last time I put it on a timer ,you were there. I believe it was 1.2 from an ALS to first shot.

I have recorded it in dry fire at .9 second, but I was told it was "simulated " so it didnt count ;-)

Much closer to 1 second now I would say

[AB]

I'll look forward to the next trip to the range!

[Evil_McNasty]

What kind of times are you guys getting with a ALS/SLS combo? I am trying to speed that up.

[NJC]

Evil,

About 8 months ago, recorded at the house with a .9sec par time set. I can consistantly draw from a regular ALS duty holster to full extension. However I was informed that was "simulated" At about the same time I did it on demand at the range and got it at 1.2 seconds. I have over 10k more draw strokes since then, probably closer to 20k. I think I could draw and hip shoot in under 1 sec and confident I could probably present to full extension sub 1 sec also.

[AB]

My "how fast can you draw to the first shot" criteria is fairly realistic. I give NJC a hard time (and have done so with others in the past) because I can draw a LOT faster than I can accurately hit something, and most other folks can as well.

A long time ago, my buddies and I were shooting together regularly (I miss those days!). We arbitrarily decided that for any draw time to count for the record or bragging rights (Razz still holds that record, BTW), it had to be from seven yards (or more), it had to be to full extension with a two-handed shooting grip, and the shot must hit the A or C zone of a USPSA target.

Now, to be ultimately fair and not post unrealistic times, I won't post a shot time unless I meet all of the above criteria AND be able to reproduce the results at least eight out of ten times. Never mistake your record time for your "on demand" time. They will be different, I promise.

[NJC]

another hundred....

I'm going to just start saying "Ditto" like Swayse in Ghost !

[0utlaw]

You'll be the first person I know to wear a gun out from the outside in.

[Josh]

About to jump on a hundred myself.

[NJC]

Ditto

[AB]

I went out to the range today and easily dropped 100 draws. Draw dry fire 5:1 for live runs. I wasn't having the best day out there today. I'd have an epic run and then go to hell the next one. Inconsistency gives me a headache, so I called it after about 100 rounds if that.

[NJC]

I think I am going out there tomorrow afternoon assuming the repair guy shows up on time in the morning.

Going to do a little bit of pistol say 100 rounds and about the same rifle.

[AB]

Text me when you go. I'll be heading out tomorrow as well.

[NJC]

will do..

[Evil_McNasty]

Dang, I wish I could get out there today. Work always seems to get in the way. But how else would I pay for ammo...............

[AB]

I'm experiencing a period of personal development. I've learned some new footwork that I'm having to actually think about (for now) and because my brain is on my feet it darn sure isn't on my hands and trigger finger. I was out again today shooting and my hits were disappointing, although the clock time was pretty solid. I had to step back a second and think about what was going on, and it is that I have introduced something new into the mix that requires processing power. Now I just have to wait until the "new way" simply becomes "the way."

I hate these times, but I've learned to recognize them as progress even if hits all over the paper sure don't feel or look like it!

[NJC]

My time overlapped with AB at the range today for a little bit.

Made some payments on skills today. Lots of dot drills and trigger stripe drills.

Ran the 2-2-4-2-2 drill with the rifle.. Targets were at least 8 feet apart. From 10yds my fastest was 5.41 seconds. All hits were A zone, timer was a pact club. Not sure if this is my fastes, I only ran it 3 or 4 times and that was the fastest for the day. Will try again.

I also practiced the draw and one shot from an ALS holster. From a distance of 6 feet, draw with strong side only to full extension from the interview stance. Only did about 10 attempts. Fastest was 1.00 average was 1.14 on the same timer. Last time I tried it i was 1.2 range so the dry fire is definitely improving mechanics and technique.

I then shot the HK45 that I got in trade from Chenzzo.. I love this pistol. I shot 50 rounds. IT fits my hand better than the glock and even though the Da/SA trigger is long and light it shoots better for me. I think I am going to have to put a LEM kit and some night sights on it. Dont think my boss will allow the .45acp for duty, so I 'll try and get approval for off duty first.

Thats is all. Very positive day at the range, I enjoy it when I feel the vaue of every round fired.

[Dale Gribble]

I did so very poorly at the GSSF even on Sunday I am kind of in mourning. Not that I am even close to decent, and therefor already miles behind most folks on here and even further behind AB. It was at best abysmal.

I am somewhere between steps 4 and 5 in my grief.

[FLT]

I admire you guys dedication and skill level. I'm afraid the only thing I've ever put that level of work and dedication into was making money.

[AB]

I did so very poorly at the GSSF even on Sunday I am kind of in mourning. Not that I am even close to decent, and therefor already miles behind most folks on here and even further behind AB. It was at best abysmal.

I am somewhere between steps 4 and 5 in my grief.

I finished last in the first match I ever shot. A few of the folks that beat me that evening long ago still shoot regularly, too. We all have to start somewhere!

[Dale Gribble]

I finished last in the first match I ever shot. A few of the folks that beat me that evening long ago still shoot regularly, too. We all have to start somewhere!

I don't have a problem with finishing poorly. As long as I don't regress. I did worse at this match than in any of my previous (2 other) GSSF matches. I think I've lost whatever little bit of my mind I once had.

[FLT]

I don't have a problem with finishing poorly. As long as I don't regress. I did worse at this match than in any of my previous (2 other) GSSF matches. I think (I've lost whatever little bit of my mind I once had) .

Nope that one is just to easy. It must be a trap.

[Rumbler]

FLT, that is exactly the same thing I was thinking. :roflmao:

[AB]

I don't have a problem with finishing poorly. As long as I don't regress. I did worse at this match than in any of my previous (2 other) GSSF matches. I think I've lost whatever little bit of my mind I once had.

What was the failure point? Identify weaknesses, develop a program to address them, practice the program, rinse, repeat. I wouldn't worry about taking a step back on the third match you've ever shot.

I didn't do any dry fire, but today was the third live-fire day in a row. I identified a big weakness and I've spent the last three weeks shooting basically the same drill over and over and over again. Today is the first day I've seen real progress, and I'll continue to hammer it for probably the next three weeks.

[Dale Gribble]

What was the failure point?

Hitting the target.

[AB]

Hitting the target.

Of all the problems, that's actually one of the easiest to fix! It's just boring as crap and no one likes to work on it.

[Dale Gribble]

Issue seems to be I was holding the gun too tight with my right hand. At least that is what I've self diagnosed from where my shots went. (Low Left).

Funny thing is, I had problems with only 9mm glocks. I cleared the plate rack in 5.5 seconds with the 21. And I know that's not fast for most but that was for me.

[AB]

Issue seems to be I was holding the gun too tight with my right hand. At least that is what I've self diagnosed from where my shots went. (Low Left).

Funny thing is, I had problems with only 9mm glocks. I cleared the plate rack in 5.5 seconds with the 21. And I know that's not fast for most but that was for me.

Low left on a Glock can also be indicative of the finger not being flat enough across the trigger face or (but most likely and) pulling the trigger too fast for the grip you have. Remind me and I'll watch your grip when we shoot at C4.

Don't knock a 5.5 second run. It's damn fast for someone who is trying to break out of the 6's!

[Dale Gribble]

NJC, AB, et al.

What do you think of the LaserLyte system (or similar) as an addition to your regimen?

Also, do you think that by racking the slide after every shot you ingrain that and will try to do it under stress?

[NJC]

Dale,

I constantly watch for it and sofar it has not been an issue. However I do not just dryfire on a whim..I have a routine of clearing the pistol or rifle, putting away the ammo, putting on my belt/holster, setting up my target, cheacking the firearm again etc.. that differentiates for me dry fire from everything else. Now can I say it works 100%, well yes up to now. I am very careful about my dry fire and have not racked the chamber on a live round at the range yet.

Now I guess I could drop the $400 for a training pistol or $200 for a resetting trigger but here is my problem with that. I want to practice on the firearm I carry and get used to how it feels and its trigger... for this reason I stay away from training guns.

I have very little experience with the laserlite system but people who have them love them. It is said to be very good for letting you see visually if any part of your technique is in need of work. Again to the best of my knowledge, the slide will still need to be racked each time so that the firing pin can actuate the laser unless you get a training gun, then see my above.

Dale, Dry practice works...I see the results.But it has to be concentrated, focused training on each trigger pull, not just counting off sloppy technique.

Hope this helps !

[AB]

I think it is a great tool you would quickly grow out of. If you're paying attention to the front sight as you dry fire, you will know what position it was in when the sear broke. I would try the regular ol' dry fire consistently for a month and if you see no improvement, it might be time to spend the money. The key there is consistently.

If you can't see where the sight was when the sear broke, slow the trigger pull down until you do.

[AB]

Oh, and I don't think you will start reflexively racking the slide under stress. If you think you might, give it a month or so and at a C4 shoot I will induce some stress and we can see what you do.

[Dale Gribble]

Its a little over $150 for the LT Pro Laser, Reaction Tyme Target and the blue gun. With the laser you can use your gun, of course limited to 1 shot.

I'm going to try dry fire. However I was sure every shot I broke at the match was right on.

[AB]

Sounds like you're blinking when the gun goes off. Just off the top of my head.

[Dale Gribble]

Sounds like you're blinking when the gun goes off. Just off the top of my head.

Hell no. I have both eyes closed the whole time. These things are scary.

[NJC]

Did another hundred.

Dale.. get your mind right !

:-)

[FLT]

Uh uh . Never mind.

[NJC]

Ditto another hundo !

[Rumbler]

NJC, AB, et al.

What do you think of the LaserLyte system (or similar) as an addition to your regimen?

Also, do you think that by racking the slide after every shot you ingrain that and will try to do it under stress?


Or, well, you know, You could always go to Talon and use the $12,000.00 laser training system. With several hundred scenarios (and games) to chose from, laser glocks, a laser AR and even a laser 870 pumpgun, there is bound to be some quality training for you in there somewhere. :p

[Dale Gribble]

Or, well, you know, You could always go to Talon and use the $12,000.00 laser training system. With several hundred scenarios (and games) to chose from, laser glocks, a laser AR and even a laser 870 pumpgun, there is bound to be some quality training for you in there somewhere. :p

If I had an extra two hours every day I would. The whole point of this is I can dedicate 15 or 30 minutes every day to it.

[Rumbler]

Sleep less.

It is a simple matter of priorities. :banana:

[NJC]

'nother hundo

[AB]

Good for you! The work appears to be paying off, too.

[NJC]

Yes.. definitely ,but I have to focus.. If I dont, it shows.

[NJC]

ditto another century

[NJC]

another hundred draw strokes and dry fires.

[NJC]

same again....

[NJC]

Another hundred tonight !

Yay me !

[AB]

Your commitment is noted!

[NJC]

I see it paying off. I like what I see.
Your encouragement is noted!

[Evil_McNasty]

My laziness is noted

[NJC]

another hundred...

Get on it bitches !

[NJC]

another hundred

[NJC]

Another hundo as I'm told I cant shoot worth a damn. I need to put in some work.

[0utlaw]

Man's got to know his limitations

[NJC]

yeah...boy I could type on that one, but I'll bite my tongue.

Outlaw, you bait me like a master.

[mattb]

I take the entire month of December largely off from shooting and working out. The working out actually stops the week of Thanksgiving if I'm being honest. I'm a little more off my game than usual come this Jan 1 because the munchkin being around is actually very distracting!

I started working out and dry firing again yesterday, which brought me around to doing one of my "get off the couch, turn off Diablo 3 (or any of the Elder Scrolls games, or some of the X Com series!), and start functioning again" drills.

Sounds easy, but I promise it's not as easy as it sounds.

Do 100 draws to the dry fire "click" and do 100 mag changes without taking a break or stopping more than necessary to reset the drill. You can break them up any way you like. 10 and 10, 20 and 20, ect. as long as you do 100 of each without appreciable stopping. When I'm just starting out again, I find that around #50 on each, my shoulders are starting to get tired and, if I'm not being lazy about my grip, my forearms are on fire. Around #75 (so I've done 150 reps between mag changes and draws), it takes effort to focus and slow down to not be sloppy or start training bad habits. The mix of maintaining mental focus on the rep while forcing myself through fatigue is...something.

Like I said, sounds easy. I realize I could slouch on it and not actually grip the gun like I do when it's about to go off (which I squeeze it like it's a rattlesnake trying to bite me) and make it easier, but I would literally be wasting my time dry firing at that point. The point is to make it as close to live fire as you can.

Try it out, even if just once.

There is a slightly more frustrating version of the mag change drill. Do 10 perfect mag changes in a row. If you bobble one even a little bit, start the count over. The stress of getting to 8 and knowing there's only two to go has actually sometimes bitten me! I've done this drill until I couldn't hold the gun up any more because I wasn't disciplined enough to just slow the heck down and knock out 10 perfect mag changes. Good times.

You've inspired me to start working at it again. Thanks!

[NJC]

just did another hundred. Sensei says I must get stronger:rolleyes:

[Josh]

So just wanted to go to sleep about 40 minutes ago, but I knocked out a hundo with some leverage bar work mixed in.

[NJC]

Another hundred this evening.

Git some !

[NJC]

Another hundred... been 6 days.. was busy...

[Josh]

Did a hundred last night. Up working late tonight hence the post and no draws and trigger work.

[NJC]

did another hundred.

[NJC]

Ditto.. another hundred.

[NJC]

Did another hundred because no C4 today.

[Johnny]

Njc don't get stale come out and shoot pins thurs.We had 16 shooters last week.

[NJC]

Johnny... Will get there soon.

Supposed to be shooting C4 this Wednesday. Pins on Thursday would be considered a party foul at my house.

16 is a great show though !

[Johnny]

Njc, I can sympathize with you,if that happened that damn honey-do list would be another mile long,You think that when you retire that you will catch up on that list but it just does not happen.Experience talking here!

[AB]

100 draws and 100 mag changes.

Today marks a special day. I have killed a Glock mag during today's dry fire. I always use the same mag as the one that goes in the gun as to not beat up all my mags. Today, it would only seat about 50% of the time, and upon inspection, the feed lips had become so worn/damaged or whatever (they actually look fine to me) that they would no longer retain a round and they were coming out in the magwell and gumming up the works.

It was retired after a brief ceremony.

[Johnny]

AB,glock shit is not suppose to happen,what gives?Inferior plastic?????

[AB]

Mags are a semi-disposable item, after all! I might be able to bend them back into shape, but it's generally not worth it on a mag with that many miles on it.

[NJC]

in the old days you could ship damaged mags to glock and they would be replaced but they discontinued this years ago. Now its a $25 part with a limited service life.

[Dale Gribble]

I wonder if they would replace it a GSSF event?

[mattb]

They will not replace a mag body; I asked at the last match I shot. They will replace springs and followers though.

[NJC]

..fucker.. this is something bearded operators like you can do in a hotel room at night....

[mattb]

I use an approved lube to get the follower in.

[NJC]

back on track... another hundred.

[FLT]

back on track... another hundred.

That's good and all, but can you try for 101 tomorrow ? ;)

[NJC]

For you. 102 tomorrow

[AB]

I live fired AND dry fired yesterday. Live fire wasn't my A game. I was having some real difficulty getting a good grip with a moderately fast draw. That's why I came home and dry fired as well.

[NJC]

Did 110 today for flt

[NJC]

Another hundred tonight.

[AB]

Went out yesterday for live fire (drills involving a lot of short distance sprinting and stopping) and the bear got on me fast. First few runs were decent, but that heat is unrelenting and I was pretty much done in about an hour and a half. I don't help my case by shooting in long sleeves and trousers, but it keeps the sun off of me and somehow it doesn't feel right if I'm completely comfortable on the range.

[AB]

Completed three live-fire days in a row. Heat kept the round count on the low side (probably 250 per day or so) but it was good to really get into it!

[NJC]

Low round count.

Right !

[JMW4570]

For him that actually is a low round count.

[Rumbler]

I agree. Back when I used to be able to shoot ( :frown: ), my average was at least 1000 per month, not counting rifle and shotgun.

[NJC]

Yeah. I know what he shoots yearly. But I still chuckle when I hear 750 rounds in a week is low.

[NJC]

I would be happy shooting 250 a week.

Hmmm. Challenge accepted ;-)

[AB]

Thanks for the props, guys!

I will say that 250 meaningful rounds a week will take you really far. I strongly believe there will be no "ah-ha!" moments unless you are actually pulling the trigger on live ammo. Dry fire is great and will also take you far, but only so far. Live fire gives your eyes the practice watching things happen from shot to shot. Once you relax your vision enough, you'd be really surprised what you can see in those fast intervals. IMHO, the biggest thing that holds people back is not really having any idea where their sights were at the moment the gun went bang. Once you can keep both eyes open and really watch those sights' position at the moment of detonation, your world will turn.

[NJC]

Yea it appears there are many different ideas about what it means to really focus on the front sight. I think many people just look at it.

I'll be out of pocket for about another two weeks so it will be dry fire for me barring work related incidents. But after that it will be 250 a week until in bankrupt and sleeping on ABs couch.

[Rumbler]

Yea it appears there are many different ideas about what it means to really focus on the front sight. I think many people just look at it.

I'll be out of pocket for about another two weeks so it will be dry fire for me barring work related incidents. But after that it will be 250 a week until in bankrupt and sleeping on ABs couch.

I agree with what you are saying.

But as a point of information that may be unique to me, I find that when shooting a handgun with both eyes open my point of focus is the target - I want ot know if it moves, and if so in what direction. This causes the handgun sights to appear like a holograph, they "float" in front of my eyes. This is perhaps why I prefer a sight with no bars, dots, squares, or dashes. Just black and bold, with the front sight filling as much of the rear sight as possible.

"Sight alignment" goes like this;

Threat recognized
Scan field of view for threats "helpers" while drawing
Bring focus back to primary threat as my handgun approaches arm extension
front sight: top even with top of rear sight, amount of light visible on both sides of front sight equal
break the shot
repeat

Of course, this would be a horrible technique for a bullseye shooter, but I'm not one of those. :approve:

[AB]

I agree with what you are saying.

But as a point of information that may be unique to me, I find that when shooting a handgun with both eyes open my point of focus is the target - I want ot know if it moves, and if so in what direction. This causes the handgun sights to appear like a holograph, they "float" in front of my eyes. This is perhaps why I prefer a sight with no bars, dots, squares, or dashes. Just black and bold, with the front sight filling as much of the rear sight as possible.

"Sight alignment" goes like this;

Threat recognized
Scan field of view for threats "helpers" while drawing
Bring focus back to primary threat as my handgun approaches arm extension
front sight: top even with top of rear sight, amount of light visible on both sides of front sight equal
break the shot
repeat

Of course, this would be a horrible technique for a bullseye shooter, but I'm not one of those. :approve:

I've always said that you only need the sight picture that allows you to hit the required target in the fastest time. Given the correct target size and distance, that is a completely valid technique. Smaller/farther requires more effort than bigger/closer. I completely vary my sight technique depending on size/distance. Everything from pure point shooting to two-hand bullseye with one eye closed. Practice allows us to recognize faster what sight technique is required for us to make each shot with an acceptable percentage chance.

NJC, too bad you didn't know my roommate and I when we were really putting rounds downrange! We had tons of space.

[NJC]

And I was makin $$ back then. We could have been large and in charge.

[AB]

Primers were $55 for 5K, bullets were $28 per K, and powder was $20 a pound unless you went vita-v. We shot a LOT.

[NJC]

Yeah.
I shot a lot more when I was an overpaid IT God.
Of course ammo was half the price so reloading made no sense to me.

[Josh]

Just watched this one the other day. I realized shooting the steel match that when I was missing especially smaller, further targets that my front sight focus was not the best. On my best runs I can only really remember seeing the front sight not so much the target. Man I love hearing the steel ring :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGsIVOyhQ7s

[NJC]

See. I post quality content

[NJC]

Another hundred tonight.
What have you slackers been doing while I was away.
Of course I'm not tack so no one noticed I was not here.

[0utlaw]

You were gone :dunno:

[NJC]

I know right ???

[NJC]

because Jonas cannot make this shit work outside of the US for some reason... slack ass

[0utlaw]

Oh you got blocked by the McFirewall

[0utlaw]

Actually I think he has foreign IP's blocked so we don't turn into a movie site

[Cattle/Horses]

because Jonas cannot make this shit work outside of the US for some reason... slack ass

Worked from the Yucatan. Merida

[0utlaw]

Mexico is part of the US now or vice versa

[Josh]

Another hundred tonight.
What have you slackers been doing while I was away.
Of course I'm not tack so no one noticed I was not here.
I did notice. I have been slacking on posting. Did draws and trigger work twice last week, and I shot uspsa.

[NJC]

See, Josh noticed !!!


Outlaw, I couldnt keep the laptop from falling off the sheep....

McFirewall... LOL

Yeah I think it was the foreign IP thing and I was not bothered to VPN into your computer and interfere with your boy love porn.

[NJC]

I think I have missed a couple of posts.
I did another hundred today.

[AB]

I did as well, but I split it up with 50 draws and 50 mag changes. I've incorporated a side step when I mag change to simulate moving to the next shooting position (competition) or moving to cover (combat), so it's paying dividends in both worlds.

[NJC]

I did all mine today strong hand only

[NJC]

Another hundred.

[AB]

300 draws today. Not a typo.

[NJC]

Challenge not accepted.
You sir do not have enough to do.
I did 100 night before last. Will do it today too. Need to be better about posting.

[Josh]

I have done a couple sessions scattered over the last 2 weeks. Trying to get back in the habit. I did 50 night before last. I know not 300 but hey it is a start back. I will try to get 100 in tonight.

[NJC]

Did 100 just now.

[FLT]

NJC . You are not going to believe this but I know a guy that does 3 times that.;) :cool:

[NJC]

I think he counts in threes though.

[AB]

100 draws and a million mag changes. Not really on the mag changes, but I lost count. I was doing the drill where I had to do 10 perfect mag changes at half speed or above in a row. If you bobble the mag change before the 10th one, the count starts over. I finally got 10 and stopped. It took a while because, as I do, I put the gas pedal down when I started doing well.

[NJC]

Another hundred just completed.

[Tack Driver]

McFirewall! LMAO!

[NJC]

^^^^^^^^

McMidget !!

[Tack Driver]

^^^^^^^^

McMidget !!
Booooo!

#Fail

[NJC]

Lol.
I'll try harder next time. You deserve better.

[AB]

100 draws and another round of 10 perfect mag changes in a row. I can't count the mag changes, but today was better than most. Probably only took 40-50ish to get 10 in a row.

[JMW4570]

You should do that in the jail in front of the inmates for entertainment and enlightenment...

[NJC]

Just did another hundred...

[AB]

Hit some live fire this morning, although lunch with a friend kept me from having a lot of range time this morning. It was a shame, because I was really switched on this morning and shooting like those guys on YouTube. If it had been a normal day I would have resupplied the ammo and shot until it fell apart or I got tired! It reminded me of the perfect golf game in Caddyshack in the storm.

[Tack Driver]

.......lunch with a friend......

We get it bro. We get it.

[AB]

This was legit. Anyone in Masa would have seen me wolfing down an insane amount of bait and rice. The check was sort of staggering for lunch, but with the munchkin that's too young for a nice restaurant and a wife that is lukewarm to Asian food to begin with, I have to get my fix when I can!

[Tack Driver]

This was legit. Anyone in Masa would have seen me wolfing down an insane amount of bait and rice. The check was sort of staggering for lunch, but with the munchkin that's too young for a nice restaurant and a wife that is lukewarm to Asian food to begin with, I have to get my fix when I can!

I hear you. I get sushi withdrawals weekly.

When I say we get it though, I mean the hint. You're far too good for lunch with us.

Hey, I gotta' ask;


a wife that is lukewarm to Asian food to begin with

That's really a thing?

[NJC]

Has she tried the Indian ?If she doesn't like Chicken Tikka Masala, she would be the first Brit I know who doesn't. I know it's not Asian, but close enough.

[NJC]

Hetro males don't eat Sushi...

[AB]

She completely loves Indian, although her favorite is Korma.

[NJC]

Dude.. Persis is the best in town....I'm drooling thinking about it !!

[AB]

Hetros don't eat Sushi...

BS flag thrown!

[Tack Driver]

Has she tried the Indian ?If she doesn't like Chicken Tikka Masala, she would be the first Brit I know who doesn't. I know it's not Asian, but close enough.

India is in Asia........dumbass.


Hetro males don't eat Sushi...

You a fuckin' lie!


Dude.. Persis is the best in town....I'm drooling thinking about it !!

Bitch, you just said Cypress was!

[NJC]

India is in Asia........dumbass.



You a fuckin' lie!



Bitch, you just said Cypress was!

Asian food typically refers to Chinese / Cantonese food.

Indian food is how Korma / Masala type stuff is referenced in conversation no ?

Yes I know where India is. I could point it out on a map.

Persis is the best Indian restaurant in town... Cypress is the best restaurant in town.

[NJC]

I don't know how a warm blooded American Man, can eat bait wrapped in rice and seaweed and pay 2x the price of the cooked stuff on the same menu.

It's un-American and borderline Metrosexual...


My wife Loves the stuff, but that's fine, the very statement implies she is the correct gender to eat it ;-)

[NJC]

All this and no comments on my new signature line

[Tack Driver]

I don't know how a warm blooded American Man, can eat bait wrapped in rice and seaweed and pay 2x the price of the cooked stuff on the same menu.

It's un-American and borderline Metrosexual...


My wife Loves the stuff, but that's fine, the very statement implies she is the correct gender to eat it ;-)

Your whole premise is shit. Nearly raw and/or raw meat is a staple of manly men the world over. You don't get it, because you cook all your meats until they are shoe leather and put sauce on them so they don't give you cotton mouth.

[Tack Driver]

All this and no comments on my new signature line

It needs a "no homo".

[NJC]

LOL

No but that was how my mom cooked God bless here. We never went hungry but it all tasted the same.

My opinion has more weight than yours because people were overlooking meat in my town when Indians did not know we came in different colors.

Where is the tolerance huh ??

;-)
I'm feeling singled out and victimized.

[NJC]

Blasphemer.

[Tack Driver]

India and Indian food is disgusting. Curry makes brown people smell like shit and food taste like shit.

My problem with Indian food, like a lot of Cajun food, usually comes from chefs that think all you have to do is make it spicy enough to burn all the discerning taste buds off before the diner knows it's shit.

[NJC]

Agreed.
My MIL is married to a Cajun from the swamp. He cooks like the devil and his food is much different to the French quarter shit.

[Tack Driver]

Agreed.
My MIL is married to a Cajun from the swamp. He cooks like the devil and his food is much different to the French quarter shit.

Proper Cajun fare is damn impressive.

[NJC]

Yeah. But it apparently takes every pot, pan and utensil in the house for each meal.

[mattb]

Jeebus. I'm ... Fuck it I'm drunk.


http://youtu.be/8mOWSlGrAnk

[Cattle/Horses]

NJC and Tack, CoonAss is the term, Cajun is just a politically correct version. And yes they can cook.

5714

[Tack Driver]

NJC and Tack, CoonAss is the term, Cajun is just a politically correct version. And yes they can cook.

I've got friends that maintain LSU season tickets. I'm well aware of the breed.

[Cattle/Horses]

I've got friends that maintain LSU season tickets. I'm well aware of the breed.

How's you head doing now?

5715

[Cattle/Horses]

I've got friends that maintain LSU season tickets. I'm well aware of the breed.


I remember your "friends", how could I forget.

5716

[NJC]

Back on topic.

Did another hundred with the pistol.
Also did a bunch of mag changes with the rifle. Lost count of how many.

[AB]

Shot the local match today, so no dry fire. Need to work on learning how fast I can go on small targets at distance. When I took my time, I was doing good work. Threading A zone hits between no-shoots while leaning over on one leg and stuff. Awesome. Except, when it works out well, I say "self, we need to do that a little bit faster next time." And it all goes to hell. Working on the drills for that now.

[AB]

120 draws and I did the 10 mag change drill twice. I got to nine and screwed the 10th mag change up three times in a row. At the end of the second 10 mag change drill I had done so many I was legit tired of holding the gun up, and it's not like a G35 is a boat anchor or anything!

[NJC]

I actually did some live fire today.

[Josh]

Back on the horse. Just knocked out a hundo draws and trigger work. Man I really need to get some mags for this practice gun so I can start on the mag changes as well.

[AB]

Live fire Friday and today (Saturday got rained out). I had an interesting day because I made a switch on my gun that made it shoot slightly high. Not usually a big deal, but Friday and today were both working the heck out of trigger control and sight alignment. In the beginning, I was pulling my shots low, which actually resulted in a lot of hits, so I was confident in my sight picture. Once I actually got the trigger control back to where it needed to be, I started missing. Freaked me out a bit because I knew my ammo was accurate and I could feel the better control over the trigger, but there was no "ding" on the steel. Once I put the rear sight three clicks lower I was back in business.

600+ rounds at 8" circles never closer than 25 yards with movement in between shooting positions. Humbling, frustrating, make-you-want-to-throw-things drills, but there's a lot to be learned there. Remember, everybody's a hero at the five yard line.

[NJC]

Wait you did not shoot in the rain. I'm telling tack driver.

[AB]

Depends on the training goal. The goals I'm currently pursuing need more target feedback than I can get in the rain. I think I'll start a thread...

[Josh]

I hit a hundred draws and trigger work last night. Got to start on the mag changes.

[Dale Gribble]

I drew a picture of a gun and holster last night.

I might do that again, it was fun.

[NJC]

Another Hundo.
Making payments.

[JMW4570]

I just made lasagne. Feeling the burn. Woo! Woo!

[NJC]

Another hundred this afternoon. Followed by about 10 minutes of rifle transitions strong side to off side.

[AB]

Good job! You'll be skinning that smoke-wagon with a quickness by the time the class comes around.

[NJC]

Good job! You'll be skinning that smoke-wagon with a quickness by the time the class comes around.

Thanks.

As you can attest I believe I am pretty quick getting it out of the holster.

If only the rest was as easy.

[AB]

If you spent as much time practicing the rest of it as you do the draws, it would be.

[NJC]

The draws help assuage the guilt of not getting to the range as often as I want.

Hey I'm going Wednesday ;-)

[NJC]

Oh. I also have 4000rounds inbound.

Yup. Sold the motorcycle.

[AB]

Rifle, pistol, or mix?

[NJC]

Mix
2 k rifle
1 k .40
500 9mm for the wife
500 .45 for the HK

I figure I will buy a case of pistol a month beginning December ;-)

[NJC]

Another hundred.

[AB]

I did about a half hour of dry fire this morning. Didn't really count how many draws and mag changes.

[NJC]

Another hundred.

[AB]

I went to the range and put about 200 rounds downrange and then came home and hit the dry fire. I practiced 160 degree transitions, but instead of my handgun I used a 10 lb dumbbell. I figure the gun will seem really light after a few weeks of that.

[NJC]

Did another hundred pistol draws and dry fires.

Did some rifle transition work. I am liking the technique.

[NJC]

Another Hundred draw / dry fire.

Also did about10 mins of rifle transition work

[AB]

About a half hour. I'm seriously contemplating a change of platform, though. The siren song of high-end gear is calling ever so loudly!

[AB]

Didn't realize it had bee so long since I posted here!

Today was a fairly big shooting day. 360 rounds pistol and about 120 rifle. It's easy to keep an exact count because I load my belt full (two rifle at 30 rounds and 4 pistol at 18 each) every time I go back to the loading table. I make a mark on my range sheet for the day every time I load up.