I assume there is a bowling pin matching tonight.

[0utlaw]

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[Tack Driver]

No lab coat and a scale with a dead battery?

2892

So...........how long do you think this thread is going to have to go before you answer ONE of my questions? :D

[0utlaw]

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[thedishdoc]

Military precision:

Measure with a mic

Mark it with chalk

Cut it with an axe
Consider it miked. Dang you guys need a lot of data for a rim fire shoot.

[thedishdoc]

No lab coat and a scale with a dead battery?

2892

So...........how long do you think this thread is going to have to go before you answer ONE of my questions? :D

Hard to say on peniletration. These pins were shot to shit before I cut em but I don't think the bullet penetrated. They did however cartwheel at 50 with no problems. I have an idea. Why don't you show up for a change and see for yourself? I'll try to get you the weight tomorrow though I don't see the relevance since you won't be there.

[thedishdoc]

Jim, you missed the following weeks discussion. :cool:

The attempt was to make it more inclusive. You know some of the old farts shake like a leaf (including me).

It was my personal thought that the time lost moving rests, restabilizing gyroscopes, from pin top to pin top would more than likely offset any advantage in using them to compete against a shooter who chose an unsupported standing position (or the like).

But - and I really mean this - it don't matter to me if I personally like the match or not. This is all about you guys. Like I said earlier; you guys workout an alternative complete plan and I'll run it that way.

. . and enjoy the seemingly inevitable fistfight you all get into during the process. :nyahnyah:

Me and Doc already got a side match . . . . for the side match.:banana:I probably won't have a chance to sight at 200 here since it's fairly dark when I get home and would have to go to the neighbors to sight in a 200 and he's surrounded by trees. However I'm always early for the pin match. All I ask is you let me adjust my scope at Talon prior to the shoot and I'm good to go.

[thedishdoc]

No lab coat and a scale with a dead battery?

2892

So...........how long do you think this thread is going to have to go before you answer ONE of my questions? :Dbeen awhile since I weighed out any bowling pin tops.

[thedishdoc]

Het Tack if you don't mind and you do show, would you bring an extra 15-22 mag? I was running some movement cover drills with my neighbor and a round hung up in the mag and I just pryed it out and drove on. I think I may have screwed up the feed lips cause I've had a few failure to feeds since then where the bolt bent the brass in two and I've never had jams in that rifle. I'll try to pick up one locally but if I can't I don't want to lose due to a shitty mag.

[Tack Driver]

Yes, I'll do my best to remember.





.........and be there.....







..............on time.

[thedishdoc]

Yes, I'll do my best to remember.





.........and be there.....







..............on time.maybe Talon has a spare. I know they rent that rifle.

[Tack Driver]

maybe Talon has a spare. I know they rent that rifle.

I said I got you.

Hey, you could swing by and pick it up for sure. It's sort of on the way to Talon.

[thedishdoc]

I said I got you.

Hey, you could swing by and pick it up for sure. It's sort of on the way to Talon.guess that means you ain't gonna show?

[Tack Driver]

guess that means you ain't gonna show?

Just means I'm not going to commit, or commit to being on time. :D

[Johnny]

Well the excuses start now,bad mags and we have not even fired around.Shit "doc" you are supposed to be the doctor,no lab coat??? As for the pygmy showing up that would be like finding a snowball in hell!!!

[thedishdoc]

Asking for a spare mag ain't an excuse. When you say "we haven't fired a round" I assume you will be shooting at 200 also?

[Johnny]

Nawh,doc I have only my dads old squirrel rifle that has been in my gun safe for21 yrs.have not shot it in over25yrs.Imight try it at 50 if ihave time to get it out an check the sights!

[Jafar]

So a weapon with no perceivable recoil moved the pin top...

This has to be incorrect.

[FLT]

Any body want a side bet on the 200 yard shoot ? I'll take Rumbler to win for $100 ! :chinscratch::buttkick::yup:

[Tack Driver]

So a weapon with no perceivable recoil moved the pin top...

This has to be incorrect.

Hold your horses with that bullshit. We don't have enough info yet.

DOC........HOW MUCH DO THE PIN TOPS WEIGH?

[FLT]

He's to busy practicing to weigh pin tops !;)

[thedishdoc]

Hold your horses with that bullshit. We don't have enough info yet.

DOC........HOW MUCH DO THE PIN TOPS WEIGH?
I couldn't find Walter White so no lab coat for the doc but I did get a battery for the scale today. I didn't weigh them all but they seem to be around 9 ounces plus.

[Tack Driver]

Okay now we just need a 9 ounce rifle so I can get Jafar to STFU.

[thedishdoc]

Got home and had an hour or so to re-sight the rifle at 200 yards. It was a little windy so I am not totally where I want to be. I got it on paper after dialing the scope WAY up to much and had to come back down. After getting on paper I did try the pin tops at 200. I had em on the top of my target holder and managed to hit a few. My neighbor ( that is actually a better .22 long range shooter than me, but was having a bad day) said "man I think you are hitting the wood and it's knocking them off" so we put up some virgin beer cans. This was not a one shot one kill but I managed to shut him up. Dead coors can at 200 yards at dusk and my neighbors berm is under the treeline. Plus the can is a lot harder to see than the white pin tops.

[thedishdoc]

He's to busy practicing to weigh pin tops !;)
I did spend the time re-sighting my rifle from 100 yards to 200. I may not win but I will show up and try giving it my best. I've got an idea. How about you show up and shoot against me at 200 sir! I hear your gums flapping all the way over in Jackson county. Perhaps you should show up, put up or STFU!:banana:

[thedishdoc]

Okay now we just need a 9 ounce rifle so I can get Jafar to STFU.
At 200 you can barely see the impact on the pins but it did knock them off the stand. 200 with a fixed 4X scope is a pretty challenging shot, at least for me and my old eyes. I had no jams so I should be GTG! I will show and represent! The floor is open gentlemen, all comers are welcomed to step up and shoot at 200!

[FLT]

I did spend the time re-sighting my rifle from 100 yards to 200. I may not win but I will show up and try giving it my best. I've got an idea. How about you show up and shoot against me at 200 sir! I hear your gums flapping all the way over in Jackson county. Perhaps you should show up, put up or STFU!:banana:

Oh I'll be there and remember you are the one that didn't want any restrictions on equipment . ;)

[Rumbler]

. . . . so we put up some virgin beer cans. . . .

Dang. I never thought of that. I usually just gather up a hand full of 12ga shotgun shell hulls. :dunno:


Just teasing, Doc. Anyone who has never earnestly tried shooting small at (proportionately) long range with a .22LR can have no real understanding of just how friggin difficult it is to do consistently.

And I love your attitude about the whole thing; lets just show up and do the best we can do. I'm with you 110% on that. I might not hit a single damned one of them, but it won't be because of a lack of sincere effort and (such as it is) applied skill.

On the off chance there is a set of eyes . . or maybe even a one-eyed sneaky snake, reading this I wan to 'splain somethin.

I use the Savage MKII as a trainer for the Remmy 700P because - with the right ammo - it works EXACTLY on a two to one scale to duplicate the performance. Get that?

100 with the .22 = 200 with the .308.
200 with the .22 = 400 with the .308.
300 with the .22 = 600 with the .308.

When is the last time you (in the generic sense) hit the "x" consistently at 400 yards with your .308?

See what I am getting at? It is not negative, my point is that it takes a damned high level of skill to do well. You can spend $12,000 on a custom rifle and optic and if you don't have the other necessary skills you might as well be shooting a slingshot your 6-year old made for you. ;)

[JMW4570]

Any body want a side bet on the 200 yard shoot ? I'll take Rumbler to win for $100 ! :chinscratch::buttkick::yup:

I'll bet $5 on the old guy...

[thedishdoc]

Oh I'll be there and remember you are the one that didn't want any restrictions on equipment . ;)
Actually I never said anything about not wanting restrictions on equipment. You wont find that in my post history. I did say I was glad we could go prone or sitting. But yea, bring whatever, I'll show and shoot to the best of my ability! Glad to hear more shooters will show and shoot at 200. :-) but yea no restrictions sounds fine to me, no more bullshit ammo restrictions, I can run at full mag capacity. Suits me. I think anything is fair in a firefight.

[thedishdoc]

Dang. I never thought of that. I usually just gather up a hand full of 12ga shotgun shell hulls. :dunno:


Just teasing, Doc. Anyone who has never earnestly tried shooting small at (proportionately) long range with a .22LR can have no real understanding of just how friggin difficult it is to do consistently.

And I love your attitude about the whole thing; lets just show up and do the best we can do. I'm with you 110% on that. I might not hit a single damned one of them, but it won't be because of a lack of sincere effort and (such as it is) applied skill.

On the off chance there is a set of eyes . . or maybe even a one-eyed sneaky snake, reading this I wan to 'splain somethin.

I use the Savage MKII as a trainer for the Remmy 700P because - with the right ammo - it works EXACTLY on a two to one scale to duplicate the performance. Get that?

100 with the .22 = 200 with the .308.
200 with the .22 = 400 with the .308.
300 with the .22 = 600 with the .308.

When is the last time you (in the generic sense) hit the "x" consistently at 400 yards with your .308?

See what I am getting at? It is not negative, my point is that it takes a damned high level of skill to do well. You can spend $12,000 on a custom rifle and optic and if you don't have the other necessary skills you might as well be shooting a slingshot your 6-year old made for you. ;)
I don't have any high dollar custom stuff but I'll run what I brung. I shoot a lot of .22 cause it's cheap. I haven't shot bowling pins but three times and I'm trying to get better. However I've shot a lot of .22 and have learned that folks can make better shots than they thought were possible thanks to my buddy than talked about shooting flys at 50 yards then loaned me his rifle. Since then I've shot thumbtacks at 50 ,cut cards on edge at 20 and we are going to try to light matches this weekend. When I shoot I'm not shooting against anyone but myself. But I will show and give it my best effort and hope to improve. I welcome all shooters at any challenge with .22 rifles. I will be glad to try anything you guys can throw at me and I will enjoy the heck out of shooting the challenge, win or loose.

[thedishdoc]

Dang. I never thought of that. I usually just gather up a hand full of 12ga shotgun shell hulls. :dunno:


Just teasing, Doc. Anyone who has never earnestly tried shooting small at (proportionately) long range with a .22LR can have no real understanding of just how friggin difficult it is to do consistently.

And I love your attitude about the whole thing; lets just show up and do the best we can do. I'm with you 110% on that. I might not hit a single damned one of them, but it won't be because of a lack of sincere effort and (such as it is) applied skill.

On the off chance there is a set of eyes . . or maybe even a one-eyed sneaky snake, reading this I wan to 'splain somethin.

I use the Savage MKII as a trainer for the Remmy 700P because - with the right ammo - it works EXACTLY on a two to one scale to duplicate the performance. Get that?

100 with the .22 = 200 with the .308.
200 with the .22 = 400 with the .308.
300 with the .22 = 600 with the .308.

When is the last time you (in the generic sense) hit the "x" consistently at 400 yards with your .308?

See what I am getting at? It is not negative, my point is that it takes a damned high level of skill to do well. You can spend $12,000 on a custom rifle and optic and if you don't have the other necessary skills you might as well be shooting a slingshot your 6-year old made for you. ;) I'm not kidding about the shell hulls. And the beer can was what we had on hand to show hits,:p unlike the pins. They show little marking at 200

[thedishdoc]

Dang. I never thought of that. I usually just gather up a hand full of 12ga shotgun shell hulls. :dunno:


Just teasing, Doc. Anyone who has never earnestly tried shooting small at (proportionately) long range with a .22LR can have no real understanding of just how friggin difficult it is to do consistently.

And I love your attitude about the whole thing; lets just show up and do the best we can do. I'm with you 110% on that. I might not hit a single damned one of them, but it won't be because of a lack of sincere effort and (such as it is) applied skill.

On the off chance there is a set of eyes . . or maybe even a one-eyed sneaky snake, reading this I wan to 'splain somethin.

I use the Savage MKII as a trainer for the Remmy 700P because - with the right ammo - it works EXACTLY on a two to one scale to duplicate the performance. Get that?

100 with the .22 = 200 with the .308.
200 with the .22 = 400 with the .308.
300 with the .22 = 600 with the .308.

When is the last time you (in the generic sense) hit the "x" consistently at 400 yards with your .308?

See what I am getting at? It is not negative, my point is that it takes a damned high level of skill to do well. You can spend $12,000 on a custom rifle and optic and if you don't have the other necessary skills you might as well be shooting a slingshot your 6-year old made for you. ;) I like shooting against guys that are better then me, it makes me more determined and I learn something every time.

[FLT]

Actually I never said anything about not wanting restrictions on equipment. You want find that in my post history. I did say I was glad we could go prone or sitting. But yea, bring whatever, I'll show and shoot to the best of my ability! Glad to hear more shooters will show and shoot at 200. :-)

Damn . Doc I could have sworn you said boo when I brought up magazine restrictions . But none the Less I've never claimed to be anything but a average shooter at best . I've been to every pin match and the two times I won I donated the money back to pay for first time shooters to shoot for free . I believe you shot for free your first time . JMW4570 donated his winnings as did my Son in law for the same purpose . Most of us shoot because we enjoy it . Is it possible that you are taking all this Internet bullshit to seriously ? I mean if it's not fun why bother. As always your opinion my vary.

[thedishdoc]

Damn . Doc I could have sworn you said boo when I brought up magazine restrictions . But none the Less I've never claimed to be anything but a average shooter at best . I've been to every pin match and the two times I won I donated the money back to pay for first time shooters to shoot for free . I believe you shot for free your first time . JMW4570 donated his winnings as did my Son in law for the same purpose . Most of us shoot because we enjoy it . Is it possible that you are taking all this Internet bullshit to seriously ? I mean if it's not fun why bother. As always your opinion my vary.
No brother we are good! I said boo to the fact I thought it was gonna be a rifle shoot challenge next time and the response was if we can't do the same thing shooting at bowling pins with pistols at 10 yards then I don't want to play and the rifle shoot is just the secondary BS match. My point was I wanted to mix it up, adding various rifles at various ranges. Sorry for the confusion and for any perceived insult. But I do think mag restrictions are BS as I stated in another post. I vote for no restrictions on capacity or anything. Run what ya brung or get something more competitive. I thought you brought up position restrictions, and I commented that I was glad prone and sitting were good. When possible I go prone cause I'm more accurate and I'm a smaller target. YMMV. And I've only been to three pin matches so I'm still learning those ropes. That being said, I did feel like you threw down the gauntlet betting $100 against me and also with your additional post saying I was too busy practicing to weigh the pins. That is why I invited you to join the match with myself and rumbler. I like a shooter that will get out of his comfort zone and try NEW things. That's why I joined Talon and why I enjoy shooting with you guys. Y'all teach me new limits to things I've never tried to shoot and why I like shooting with you guys. I don't like being the best shooter in the group. I like competing against guys that are better shooters than me. It hones the edge sir.

[JMW4570]

I welcome all shooters at any challenge with .22 rifles. I will be glad to try anything you guys can throw at me and I will enjoy the heck out of shooting the challenge, win or loose.

I'll be your huckleberry.. Offhand standing, 50 yards on 5 pin tops, 10 round limit per magazine. :cool:

[thedishdoc]

I'll be your huckleberry.. Offhand standing, 50 yards on 5 pin tops, 10 round limit per magazine. :cool:
Lol if you shoot rifles anything like you shoot pistols then you will be formidable competition. I'll do offhand against you sir if you will concede the 10 round bullshit limit. And damn I'm under attack now by all the awesome shooters. However I will be damn honored to show and shoot against you guys. I may not win but I'll damn sure give it my best effort!:salute:

[Rumbler]

I don't know who (else) noticed last week but JMW4570 was on fire. But not because he was shooting particularly fast. It was because he wasn't missing often when he fired.

Here is the fast for you; firing five . . or six rounds, is faster than firing 35 . . or 36 rounds.


Y'all need to trust me on this, I am an old guy. ;)

[thedishdoc]

I don't know who (else) noticed last week but JMW4570 was on fire. But not because he was shooting particularly fast. It was because he wasn't missing often when he fired.

Here is the fast for you; firing five . . or six rounds, is faster than firing 35 . . or 36 rounds.


Y'all need to trust me on this, I am an old guy. ;)I agree which is why I say if a man is confident with his choice of weapons, however limited the capacity, he should not be afraid to shoot against anyone else, regardless of their choice of weapons whatever the round capacity. Downloading the mags to make it FAIR isn't real world shooting IMHO. If a guy is that good he should step to the line with whatever he brings and shoot against anyone else that brings their choice of weapons to the fight/match.

[JMW4570]

I really don't care what you shoot, how you shoot, etc. I was trying to get some guys to shoot offhand cause that's probably the hardest position for me to shoot well, next to sitting (and a bad back can make that interesting when a muscle spasm kicks in or a disc starts to bulge). To be honest, I believe going prone to shoot 50 yards should make you want to turn in your man card. If you are hitting cans at 200, where is the challenge at 50? No offense meant here, well.. maybe a little. 200 yards is a completely different game but I and others have hit the gong with pistols at that distance.

Again, I reiterate, I was just trying to make it challenging, induce a little stress, and get you guys (me too) out of your comfort zone of full magazines and completely supporting shooting positions. That's all. Embrace the suck ladies.

I will gladly shoot next to anyone who wants to shoot the same position as I do. Just a warning, if you are all bedded down prone on your air mattress in your air-conditioned gillie suit with your laser optic'd belt-fed, suppressed 22, don't get mad if you accidentally get stepped on. :rolleyes:

See you guys Thursday. Jim

[thedishdoc]

He's to busy practicing to weigh pin tops !;)
I will look for you on the field of battle sir :-)

[thedishdoc]

I really don't care what you shoot, how you shoot, etc. I was trying to get some guys to shoot offhand cause that's probably the hardest position for me to shoot well, next to sitting (and a bad back can make that interesting when a muscle spasm kicks in or a disc starts to bulge). To be honest, I believe going prone to shoot 50 yards should make you want to turn in your man card. If you are hitting cans at 200, where is the challenge at 50? No offense meant here, well.. maybe a little. 200 yards is a completely different game but I and others have hit the gong with pistols at that distance.

Again, I reiterate, I was just trying to make it challenging, induce a little stress, and get you guys (me too) out of your comfort zone of full magazines and completely supporting shooting positions. That's all. Embrace the suck ladies.

I will gladly shoot next to anyone who wants to shoot the same position as I do. Just a warning, if you are all bedded down prone on your air mattress in your air-conditioned gillie suit with your laser optic'd belt-fed, suppressed 22, don't get mad if you accidentally get stepped on. :rolleyes:

See you guys Thursday. JimI look forward to shooting against you sir. You have proven to be one hell of a shooter. I hope this discussion doesn't get twisted because that is not the way I intended the discussion to go. And I've been stepped on plenty by you shooters. You guys are good which is why I continue to show. I'll try shooting against anyone in any position. No air mattress, gillie suit, or laser optic'd belt fed weapon required. Just real world shit. Do you guys run C4 or three gun with your AR's downloaded to 6 rounds? Just asking cause I haven't been able to make one yet?

[FLT]

I will look for you on the field of battle sir :-)

LMFAO. Im shooting at 50 yards at five pin tops if you have anything else in mind you will have to start with out me and let me know how it works out for you.:hrmmm::yup:

[thedishdoc]

You guys have clearly proven you are better pistol marksman than me. It has been proven in the shoots. However I still feel,that if you guys think low capacity weapons are the bomb and mag changes are great and accuracy trumps rounds than you should be able to triumph in the competitions by showing that against all competitors. There is a reason all agencies have gone to hi cap mag fed weapons. I think the 6 round limit is not a realistic test in a real world situation. Nor is a dictated shooting position. I try to use whatever will help me win the fight. Just my humble opinion.

[JMW4570]

LMFAO. Im shooting at 50 yards at five pin tops if you have anything else in mind you will have to start with out me and let me know how it works out for you.:hrmmm::yup:

Heck, Thats I all I had planned to do! This ain't three gun or C4. There are lots of shooting sport 'games' and each has different rules. I'm glad we have all these options now. The Talon Bowling League was supposed to be fun - I was trying to setup a standard set of rules (per Rumblers suggestion) so we could compare results. Still not sure how Rumbler et.al. is going to score someone shooting a pistol against someone prone with a rifle. But that's not my problem.


I was trying the get some competitive juices flowing and get some folks other than old guys to turn out. If it takes a full magazine to make folks happy, well then come one, come all. :poke::poke::poke:


If my eye's were better, I'd try a 22 revolver at 50... Hmmm.... Wait a minute... Maybe... nah, I'll stick to my plan this week.

[thedishdoc]

LMFAO. Im shooting at 50 yards at five pin tops if you have anything else in mind you will have to start with out me and let me know how it works out for you.:hrmmm::yup:
No disrespect intended sir. I did mean the competition and nothing else. Sometimes it's hard to relay actual meaning on the internet.

[thedishdoc]

Heck, Thats I all I had planned to do! This ain't three gun or C4. There are lots of shooting sport 'games' and each has different rules. I'm glad we have all these options now. The Talon Bowling League was supposed to be fun - I was trying to setup a standard set of rules (per Rumblers suggestion) so we could compare results. Still not sure how Rumbler et.al. is going to score someone shooting a pistol against someone prone with a rifle. But that's not my problem.


I was trying the get some competitive juices flowing and get some folks other than old guys to turn out. If it takes a full magazine to make folks happy, well then come one, come all. :poke::poke::poke:


If my eye's were better, I'd try a 22 revolver at 50... Hmmm.... Wait a minute... Maybe... nah, I'll stick to my plan this week.
I'll shoot my .22 pistol at 50. Great idea. See now we are talking. I like mixing it up. I may lose but I will show and try.

[thedishdoc]

And with all due respect, I'm not trying to insult anyone or be an ass so I hope no one takes it that way. I have the utmost respect for you guys as shooters and as gentlemen. I'm just throwing in my two cents.

[thedishdoc]

I really don't care what you shoot, how you shoot, etc. I was trying to get some guys to shoot offhand cause that's probably the hardest position for me to shoot well, next to sitting (and a bad back can make that interesting when a muscle spasm kicks in or a disc starts to bulge). To be honest, I believe going prone to shoot 50 yards should make you want to turn in your man card. If you are hitting cans at 200, where is the challenge at 50? No offense meant here, well.. maybe a little. 200 yards is a completely different game but I and others have hit the gong with pistols at that distance.

Again, I reiterate, I was just trying to make it challenging, induce a little stress, and get you guys (me too) out of your comfort zone of full magazines and completely supporting shooting positions. That's all. Embrace the suck ladies.

I will gladly shoot next to anyone who wants to shoot the same position as I do. Just a warning, if you are all bedded down prone on your air mattress in your air-conditioned gillie suit with your laser optic'd belt-fed, suppressed 22, don't get mad if you accidentally get stepped on. :rolleyes:

See you guys Thursday. Jim I was benched at 200 sighting the scope in.

[thedishdoc]

I really don't care what you shoot, how you shoot, etc. I was trying to get some guys to shoot offhand cause that's probably the hardest position for me to shoot well, next to sitting (and a bad back can make that interesting when a muscle spasm kicks in or a disc starts to bulge). To be honest, I believe going prone to shoot 50 yards should make you want to turn in your man card. If you are hitting cans at 200, where is the challenge at 50? No offense meant here, well.. maybe a little. 200 yards is a completely different game but I and others have hit the gong with pistols at that distance.

Again, I reiterate, I was just trying to make it challenging, induce a little stress, and get you guys (me too) out of your comfort zone of full magazines and completely supporting shooting positions. That's all. Embrace the suck ladies.

I will gladly shoot next to anyone who wants to shoot the same position as I do. Just a warning, if you are all bedded down prone on your air mattress in your air-conditioned gillie suit with your laser optic'd belt-fed, suppressed 22, don't get mad if you accidentally get stepped on. :rolleyes:

See you guys Thursday. Jim
Well no offense taken I hope that is mutual. I certainly didn't mean any towards you sir. You are clearly one hell of a pistol shooter. No disrespect intended or implied.

[thedishdoc]

Epilogue.... This whole shitstorm started when I mentioned shooting shotgun shells (which we do around here) and Rumbler invited ( froggy and shit) me to shoot against him at 200. I accepted his challenge. I may not win but I will show and try my best. I've simply voiced my opinion cause this is CCGF and I thought a man could express his opinion on this forum. Hopefully no one has taken this personally because that is certainly not my intention. I have the utmost respect for all the shooters I've had the honor of shooting against! Looking forward to seeing you guys again on Thursday night!

[Johnny]

Fellows I shoot pins for the fun of it,At my age I am just happy to come out and hang out with you young'uns.I only want to be able to say that I was able to get you a run for your money! I just enjoy being there.
This is suppose to be fun,and fun it is everyone should remember that that was the reason this was started!

[JMW4570]

Well no offense taken I hope that is mutual.

It's all good, really. I'm really not that great a shot FWIW. Mister T won the match and has numerous times now. I started out poorly, figured out what was wrong and ran a couple decent strings. As Rumbler has said regarding this game, you can't miss fast enough. The hardest part is to slow down and put accurate fire on the pins and that is 90% mental. You start missing when you get a head of yourself, get in a hurry, start worrying about the other guy, and start 'thinking'. Just relax, put the front sight on the target, assuming your gun is sighted in properly (my issue last week), prep your trigger, and fire. Have a great day. Jim

[Jafar]

Okay now we just need a 9 ounce rifle so I can get Jafar to STFU.

You know you're wrong, but I appreciate your desire to be right. It makes me feel like a nice guy, like cheering in the stands at the Special Olympics.

[thedishdoc]

The pins dance sweetly when hit at fifty.

[Tack Driver]

You know you're wrong, but I appreciate your desire to be right. It makes me feel like a nice guy, like cheering in the stands at the Special Olympics.

LOL, but I know I'm right. Like you, I cannot believe this is actually a thing for conversation. I cannot fathom how otherwise intelligent people think you can somehow impart force on something without an equal/opposite reaction.

Is it like a Super Mario power up star or something?

[Tack Driver]

The pins dance sweetly when hit at fifty.

An unsupported 9 ounce rifle would recoil swiftly.

[Jafar]

The pins dance sweetly when hit at fifty.

That's almost poetry.

[Jafar]

LOL, but I know I'm right. Like you, I cannot believe this is actually a thing for conversation. I cannot fathom how otherwise intelligent people think you can somehow impart force on something without an equal/opposite reaction.

Is it like a Super Mario power up star or something?

2922

[JMW4570]

The pins dance sweetly when hit at fifty.

Don't tell us you are "practicing" on these pins prior to the match!

[thedishdoc]

Don't tell us you are "practicing" on these pins prior to the match!See post #227

[Dale Gribble]

LOL, but I know I'm right. Like you, I cannot believe this is actually a thing for conversation. I cannot fathom how otherwise intelligent people think you can somehow impart force on something without an equal/opposite reaction.

No one that I know of has said that.

We have said, over and over again, that the felt recoil is different than what the target experiences.

[Tack Driver]

No one that I know of has said that.

We have said, over and over again, that the felt recoil is different than what the target experiences.

Uh, yeah the target experiences a bleeding hole. :dunno:

I don't know what your saying. I've been very clear about what I'm saying; The energy expended in the target CANNOT BE MORE than the force of recoil.

[Dale Gribble]

Uh, yeah the target experiences a bleeding hole. :dunno:

I don't know what your saying. I've been very clear about what I'm saying; The energy expended in the target CANNOT BE MORE than the force of recoil.

True. But that doesn't mean it feels the same, as their is another factor at work here.

[Tack Driver]

True. But that doesn't mean it feels the same, as their is another factor at work here.

"Feels the same"?! Obviously there are side affects like pain to having a piece of lead rip though organs and flesh.

The target experiences roughly the same or less force than the force of recoil. Jafar is disputing that.


http://youtu.be/9X6bqLBskmY

Shooting starts at 7:10, but MUCH more than that in the episode.

[Dale Gribble]

The target feels less force, and generally for a shorter period of time.

The shooter feels more force, and generally for a much longer period of time.

[Tack Driver]

The target feels less force, and generally for a shorter period of time.

The shooter feels more force, and generally for a much longer period of time.

True. I don't know where you and I see this differently..........except where you mince words so you can still play the devil's advocate since both sides of this argument has an advocate. :D

[Tack Driver]

Well, now, wait........I'm not so sure on the "much" greater time thing. The recoil impulse is very quick. The deceleration of the projectile in the body or the projectile going through and exiting the body is similarly very quick. By a percentage, I wouldn't argue with you. As a matter of human perception, it's very similar.

[Dale Gribble]

Well, now, wait........I'm not so sure on the "much" greater time thing. The recoil impulse is very quick. The deceleration of the projectile in the body or the projectile going through and exiting the body is similarly very quick. By a percentage, I wouldn't argue with you. As a matter of human perception, it's very similar.

Its very hard for me to make any generalizations about hitting something soft, like a body. But at one point you talked about something more solid. Like a steel plate, or bowling pin top. I would say the rate of deceleration hitting something hard and heavy like a steel plate would be quite high, and very quick.

[Tack Driver]

Its very hard for me to make any generalizations about hitting something soft, like a body. But at one point you talked about something more solid. Like a steel plate, or bowling pin top. I would say the rate of deceleration hitting something hard and heavy like a steel plate would be quite high, and very quick.

I'm tracking now.

Yeah, but still only the difference of acceleration in the barrel (this started over a handgun round.........3-4") vs. instant deceleration. I'd be willing to bet (not quite by getting shot kinda stakes) that it would be imperceptible by the human brain.

[Dale Gribble]

I'm tracking now.

Yeah, but still only the difference of acceleration in the barrel (this started over a handgun round.........3-4") vs. instant deceleration. I'd be willing to bet (not quite by getting shot kiinda stakes) that it would be imperceptible by the human brain.

(BTW, what is kiinda?)

If the handgun was a single shot, or revolver, perhaps. However if its semi auto, then you have the bolt or slide or whatever spreading that impulse out over even more time. Plus with hand gun, what you the shoot feels is cushioned by your wrists or elbows or other parts of your body moving.

[Tack Driver]

(BTW, what is kiinda?)

If the handgun was a single shot, or revolver, perhaps. However if its semi auto, then you have the bolt or slide or whatever spreading that impulse out over even more time. Plus with hand gun, what you the shoot feels is cushioned by your wrists or elbows or other parts of your body moving.

Good point, but still the same about of gross energy, which is what prompted Jafar's ire.

And you can kiinda fuck off.

[Jafar]

Here's some things that are not being covered;

Recoil is implied and felt by each shooter differently. It is not a measure of expended energy, it is a factor of momentum. The energy is the function of bullet weight times velocity squared, while recoil is a function of bullet weight and velocity, not squared. Hence my original statement on the recoil being exponentially smaller.

Recoil is also related to the relative mass of the platform firing the weapon as well as the mass and anatomical strength of the shooter, which are multiple factors that have absolutely no effect on the energy of the projectile.

Another thing that I have seen no consideration of is the material and mass of the projectile involved. Projectiles of different materials will vary in expansion and resistance leading to inconsistencies in your hypothesis. More friction will develop factors of muzzle energy and velocity that will have absolutely no effect on the recoil of the weapon.

Note that it is *momentum* and not KE that is transfered equally to both the projectile and the rifle. This is important because of the very different nature of these two quantities:
Momentum is linear and gives both mass and velocity equal "weight".
Momentum = Mass * Velocty
KE is non-linear and HEAVILY favors velocity:
KE = 0.5 * Mass * Velocity^2

Qualitatively, that means there are essentially two "methods" of generating KE: increase mass or increase velocity. Increasing either or both of these parameters will yield a directly proportional increase in momentum, BUT increasing velocity will yield a *whole lot more* KE than increasing mass due to the non-linear relationship described above.

Quantitatively, let's compare two .45 ACP loads: a traditional 230 grain and a 96 grain "Defender" from Magsafe.

Firing both from a 38-ounce, 5" 1911:
Bullet Weight / MV / ME (or KE) / Momentum / Recoil Velocity / Recoil Energy
230gr / 835 fps / 356 ft-lb / 0.852 slug-fps / 11.6 fps / 4.96 ft-lb
96gr / 1760 fps / 660 ft-lb / 0.750 slug-fps / 10.2 fps / 3.84 ft-lb

Thus, the load with the most muzzle energy does not always recoil the hardest

[Tack Driver]

If you're going to copy and paste somebody else's opinion, I'd source it.

[Tack Driver]

And just because the inertia of a gun and shooter doesn't equal the inertia of a bullet doesn't mean the momentum applied isn't the same.

[0utlaw]

I want to see the cake Ike comes up with for this.....:dunno:

[Jafar]

If you're going to copy and paste somebody else's opinion, I'd source it.


And just because the inertia of a gun and shooter doesn't equal the inertia of a bullet doesn't mean the momentum applied isn't the same.

I can't source it because it's anonymous, that's why the font is different than mine.

My argument is laid out above. I'll let everyone apply it as they will.

[JMW4570]

So who won the 200 yard grudge match? The 50 yard rimfire pin match was fun tonight.

[Dale Gribble]

Mollary.

[Rumbler]

If you put $100 on the old guy, someone owes you some money. :cool:

5 pin tops, 7 shots.


. . . not that I would ever brag or anything. :banana:

[thedishdoc]

I lost, Rumbler won, fair and square. I'm ready for my lumps gentlemen. Go ahead and pile on :-)

[thedishdoc]

As a side note as always I enjoyed the crap out of the shoots, as usual. The pistol match was fun, the 50 yard .22 shoot was a blast, and the 200 yard match was the most fun of all to me even though I lost...THIS TIME! I'm up for a rematch.
Rumbler, tell me again what model savage and optic that was you had on your rifle? Now I want at least that optic on my rifle if not the same setup you have. It was a damn sweet shooter.

[Johnny]

Let that be a lesson to you dishdoc,do not f--k with old men!nine times out of ten you will get your ass handed to you

[0utlaw]

We don't make it to old age by accident :cooler:

[Tack Driver]

Dish ain't no spring chicken. :poke:

[Rumbler]

Doc,

Savage MKII (TRR-SR, with the rail crap removed)
Harris Bipod
Bushnell Elite Tactical 3200 fixed 10X40mm (mil-dot)
GG&G 20MOA scope base


It shoots significantly more consistently if I sort the ammo by rim thickness, but obviously it did OK at 200 without that. Though those two fliers . . . . I'd sure like to blame on something besides myself.:>" smilieid="16" class="inlineimg">

[jonastio]

Hey,slackass are you going to be there??????????

I'll get back out for another one of these soon.

[surfer5]

I made it out to my first match this week. I planned to just hang out and observe but peer pressure won out and I entered. I was happy with my results (2-2) but, more than that, had a helluva good time. I'm gonna try to make it a recurring experience. Thanks to those that organized it and to everyone that made me feel like I was part of the gang. Great group of folks.




(for those that I didn't introduce myself to, I was the big guy with all of the tattoos shooting the H&K USP 45 Tactical with the threaded barrel and no holster)

[JMW4570]

Glad you came out. Hope you come back again. Jim

[Mikec2003]

Idea for next week...

Who's up for shooting pin tops with .22LR pistols at the same distance as centerfire? or perhaps do the combined match...pin bottoms with tops on top, shoot the tops with .22, and then switch to centerfire for the bottoms.

[Johnny]

Sounds like fun with the 22 pistol on pin tops.Good thinking mikec!

[Mikec2003]

Not my idea, I saw it somewhere else, but it does sound fun, plus I have a single action revolver in .22LR that I just figured out the sights, so im itching to use it.

[Jmoorewar]

Yea I need to make it to more than one,so much fun and the new .22 matches sound fun.

[thedishdoc]

Idea for next week...

Who's up for shooting pin tops with .22LR pistols at the same distance as centerfire? or perhaps do the combined match...pin bottoms with tops on top, shoot the tops with .22, and then switch to centerfire for the bottoms.
I'm up for anything you guys wanna do. I like mixing it up. .22 tops with pistols sounds like a blast and cheaper to shoot to boot.

[thedishdoc]

So what are we running tomorrow? I need to know how to load out.

[Mikec2003]

My vote is for centerfire pistol as normal, and for the fun shoot, either .22 pistol pin tops at 10 yards, or pin tops on top of pin bottoms, top with .22, bottom with centerfire pistol.

We may need to put the pin tops on something else besides the steel tables, not sure how steel and .22 reacts at that distance.

[Rumbler]

So what are we running tomorrow? I need to know how to load out.


So what are we running tomorrow? I need to know so I can set it up. :coolguy:

[thedishdoc]

Let me know what is decided because I have to load out tonight. I leave before dawn each morning. I think something with .22 pistols would be fun.

[Jmoorewar]

Have to miss it again,have a job starting at 5 and won't be done till 9 10ish.

[thedishdoc]

I will bring the cut off pin bottoms to set the tops on for the .22 pistol shoot.

[Johnny]

I will not be able to make this shoot.I have an important American Legion meeting I have to attend.

[Mikec2003]

I will bring the cut off pin bottoms to set the tops on for the .22 pistol shoot.

alright then, it's settled.

The regular match will be as normal, green metal tables, centerfire handguns, 10 yards.

Fun match will be 10 yards, shoot the pin tops with a .22 handgun, and the pin bottoms with a centerfire handgun.

YOU MUST SHOOT THE PIN TOP OFF FIRST...DO NOT SHOOT THE BOTTOM FIRST AND SAY "there, I did it"


I'm not sure what tables to use for the fun match...are the steel tables ok to hit with .22? anyone know?

[thedishdoc]

I vote center fire on the big pins on the tables then fun match tops only with .22. The .22 at the table can't be any worse than large caliber weapons in terms of ricochet. The transition from tops to bottoms will be kinnda crazy for the fun match. On a side note me and rumbler want to try slugs on steel at 200 sometime. Anyone in?

[Mikec2003]

hmm, yeah, it may take a while to do pin tops and bottoms. Hell, I just want to shoot .22 pistols :)

and for slugs at 200...that'd be interesting, I havent shot my shotgun in ages, nor do i have slugs, but sounds interesting

[Rumbler]

hmm, yeah, it may take a while to do pin tops and bottoms. Hell, I just want to shoot .22 pistols :)

and for slugs at 200...that'd be interesting, I havent shot my shotgun in ages, nor do i have slugs, but sounds interesting

Talon does. Buckets full! . . just leave your plastic on the counter and shoot all you want. :banana:

[Rumbler]

Based on what Doc and I experienced last week shooting pin tops at 200, it would surprise me a LOT if the 22LR supersonic would not knock over full bowling pins with "head shots" at 25 yards or so. Maybe even 40 or 50 yards.


. . . just thinking outloud. Not even a full fledged suggestion . . . . :o

[thedishdoc]

We can always just set the tops on the cut off bottoms on the table for the .22 fun shoot and bump em off with the .22 pistols.

[thedishdoc]

Based on what Doc and I experienced last week shooting pin tops at 200, it would surprise me a LOT if the 22LR supersonic would not knock over full bowling pins with "head shots" at 25 yards or so. Maybe even 40 or 50 yards.


. . . just thinking outloud. Not even a full fledged suggestion . . . . :o
Perfectly willing to try it. I'm always up for pushing the envelope.

[Rumbler]

We can always just set the tops on the cut off bottoms on the table for the .22 fun shoot and bump em off with the .22 pistols.


Doc, I am really concerned about ricochets were we to do that. You know the tables get shot a whole lot more than the targets do. :P

[thedishdoc]

For an interesting Challenge I vote for shotgun shells hulls at 50 with the .22 rifles at some point

[Rumbler]

For an interesting Challenge I vote for shotgun shells hulls at 50 with the .22 rifles at some point


OK! But you should know that you are not going to get off that easy.

What position?
Supported or not?
Optics or irons?
Supersonic or subsonic?
First moon phase or last?
What color hulls?

You know; all that critically important stuff. :p

[thedishdoc]

Doc, I am really concerned about ricochets were we to do that. You know the tables get shot a whole lot more than the targets do. :P
You are the guy with the experience so I defer to your wisdom in these matters. Do .22 ricochet worse than center fire? That's crazy.

[thedishdoc]

OK! But you should know that you are not going to get off that easy.

What position?
Supported or not?
Optics or irons?
Supersonic or subsonic?
First moon phase or last?
What color hulls?

You know; all that critically important stuff. :pim a karma sutra kinnda guy so any position lol. I'd have to be prone and obviously optics with these old eyes. Any ammo. Run what ya brung. Most of my hulls are red. I have a pickup truck bed full. We can test it tomorrow if you want. Plus I'll bring my 590 if you want to see how the slugs will do at 200, I've never tried it but we can see what happens.

[thedishdoc]

OK! But you should know that you are not going to get off that easy.

What position?
Supported or not?
Optics or irons?
Supersonic or subsonic?
First moon phase or last?
What color hulls?

You know; all that critically important stuff. :p

i like shooting against you. You are a better shooter than me and I want to beat you :-)

[thedishdoc]

Ok I threw the mossy 590 and the junkyard dog marlin model 60 in the truck.,maybe we can try the slug shoot and the shotgun hulls before the bowling pin match. I usually get there early and these old eyes could use the light. I'll try to get a box of slugs tomorrow.

[talon2]

I am not at all comfortable shooting full size pins with .22lr pistols. Bullets hitting the tables should not be an issue because the steel is angled to prevent a projectile from coming straight back. The full size pins might throw a 22 back at the shooter. So we aren't gonna find out the hard way.

[Johnny]

Sounds reasonable to me JD,sorry I cannot be there tonight I have to go to an important American Legion meeting tonight!

[Jmoorewar]

Sounds reasonable to me JD,sorry I cannot be there tonight I have to go to an important American Legion meeting tonight!
Again with the yelling,calm down Johnny,it's ok bud.;)

[Rumbler]

Great match this evening guys!

Next week, bring your shotguns and a bucket full of slugs.

. . . yes, any shotgun, any slugs, optics, no optics, 12ga, 20ga, or the ever awesome .410. This will be an any/any match.


. . and you are just going to have to wait for the rest of the details. Think of it as my way of torturing you. :p

[HarleyBrent]

I think the 410 should be banned due to its devastating lethal nature.

[Rumbler]

Amen! Especially in a revolver with a 2" barrel!

[Jmoorewar]

If I'm off next Thursday I'm there for that.how many slugs would you suggest?anywhere in town sell them for less than a buck a pop?i just have buck shot and birdshot.

[thedishdoc]

Once again I enjoyed shorting with you guys. I especially enjoyed shooting the shotgun hulls off the tables with the .22 pistols even though Dale beat me lol. Looking forward to the slug gun shoot at 200.

[thedishdoc]

If I'm off next Thursday I'm there for that.how many slugs would you suggest?anywhere in town sell them for less than a buck a pop?i just have buck shot and birdshot.
I bought a box of 15 at china mart for $12 and change. Talon has em also. A couple of guys bought some but we spent to much time on the fun match to get to the slugfest this time. I also want to go for the shotgun hulls at 50 with the .22 rifles.

[Rumbler]

If I'm off next Thursday I'm there for that.how many slugs would you suggest?anywhere in town sell them for less than a buck a pop?i just have buck shot and birdshot.

All of them. :roflmao:


Dang, can't help with finding them cheap. I stockpiled a long time ago. As soon as I learned people like Doc really do exist.
















. . . I am just teasin, Doc.

[thedishdoc]

All of them. :roflmao:


Dang, can't help with finding them cheap. I stockpiled a long time ago. As soon as I learned people like Doc really do exist.
















. . . I am just teasin, Doc.Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. I'm simply a figment of your imagination.
But what does this mean? That I shoot a lot of rounds trying to hit targets, or that I'm an ammo whore that buys it when I can get it? Just trying to get the jist of your poke.

[FLT]

Both! ;)

[thedishdoc]

Plus for the few guys that stepped up to the shotgun shell fun match with pistols and did a fucking amazing job, I want us to try playing cards on edge sometime. I've done it already and its really not any dang harder than hitting the shells. If you never cut a card on edge it's a lot of fun when you hit it. As a side note I put these out as my personal goals to work towards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9S4MEbzLIk

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5lvNBwPlYDB-9-uQoY2jIg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uG-Kiy3AT4

This mother fucker motivates the hell out of me to try to push my limits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMSxnmAmGv8

[thedishdoc]

Both! ;) I do like to send lead downrange as fast as possible. I should probably slow down and aim more lol.

[Rumbler]

Doc,
It means that you scare me. :banana:


























I really am just teasing. :)

[Johnny]

Damn doc,did not know you were one of the spray and pray freaks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rumbler]

A thought occurred to me.

Are you guys familiar with that star shaped thing (Texas star) from gun games where as you shoot the plates off it, the imbalance causes the "star" to start spinning around?

Seemed to me kinka like that is for candy asses. We need to apply some skills!


So I had this idea. And damned if someone hadn't already thought of it! Guess I can just email them for the cut list to build one. "Fun matches". New meaning . . . . ??


http://www.canopy.net/guns/athought.jpg

[Mikec2003]

attach an electric motor to it with a speed controller. Aww fuck it, this is 'Murica, put a V8 on it.

[Rumbler]

Hey . . we have a 18HP cast iron Briggs & Stratton over at the shop that runs GREAT.



. . . that would probably work . . . .

[thedishdoc]

Damn doc,did not know you were one of the spray and pray freaks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't spray and pray but sometimes I shoot faster than I should.

[thedishdoc]

Doc,
It means that you scare me. :banana:


























I really am just teasing. :)

Still don't get why I scare you. You are a better shot than me.
Don't get what " that guys like Doc exist out there" means.
You can tell me at the pin match if you don't wanna post it on the forum.

[Rumbler]

You don't scare me, Doc. I was just teasing you. Though you do have your Zombie like moments. ;)

Regarding stocking up on 12ga ammo . . . I don't load shotgun ammo. Not enough flexibility in the loads to get my interest, much less hold it.

So it is the one factory ammo (besides .22LR) that I buy as much of as I can when I do find a deal on it.

[Johnny]

Allright fellows what are we going to shoot for the fun match tomorrow,Slingshots,chuck spears or throw rocks?????????????? name your poision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thedishdoc]

I need to know what we are doing for both matches so I can load out. Is it center fire at pins for main match? I thought we were gonna try slugs at 200 yards on the 8" plate for the fun match. Just let me know so I can bring something to participate.

[FLT]

Bowling pin match is same as always. It's not a bowling pin match if you do it any other way.

[thedishdoc]

OK Thanks for the fill.

[Mikec2003]

probably should get this stuff hammered out before the night before the match...

with that out of the way, I think the main match should, as much as possible stay static, pins, on tables, at the normal distance with centerfire handguns,

The fun match could be whatever, I can do slugs at 200, .22 at pin tops, rimfire rifle, whatever. or mabey rumbler can chime in on what crazy ideas he has cooked up.

[TargetShooting]

I'll bring slug and .45 ACP...for main match 1911 all the way (I will clear the jam like I always do, if it jams)

[Rumbler]

Bowling pin league match as usual. And . . . . .



Next week, bring your shotguns and a bucket full of slugs.

. . . yes, any shotgun, any slugs, optics, no optics, 12ga, 20ga, or the ever awesome .410. This will be an any/any match.


. . and you are just going to have to wait for the rest of the details. Think of it as my way of torturing you. :p



. . I need to go finish the "shooter spinner". That may or may not happen depending on whether I can get that damned engine connected to it in time. :cool:

[thedishdoc]

So what are we doing for the fun match? I already threw the Mossy 590 in the truck. Do I need to replace it with a .22 rifle or pistol?

[Rumbler]

Doc, I hate to break it to you, but your wife is right. :roflmao:


Bring your centerfire handgun and enough ammo to shoot the pin match "as usual".

ALSO

Bring anything resembling a shotgun you have and "some" slugs. Preferably; all you can stand to shoot.

[YankeeFingergasm]

I won't be there tomorrow. Y'all have fun though.

[Rumbler]

YF, I will be more than happy to call your boss and get you some time off.


I can do that for you, yaknow. :cooler:

[YankeeFingergasm]

YF, I will be more than happy to call your boss and get you some time off.


I can do that for you, yaknow. :cooler:

No, I already missed today unfortunately. I know this sounds kinda lame but I've been having some vertigo issues this week. That shits brutal.

[thedishdoc]

Doc, I hate to break it to you, but your wife is right. :roflmao:.
Sadly she usually is :-) She ended up with the looks and the brains, I ended up with....Ummm.. Forget it..

[Tack Driver]

YF, I will be more than happy to call your boss and get you some time off.


I can do that for you, yaknow. :cooler:

Yeah........a BUNCH of time off!

[BlueBronco]

No, I already missed today unfortunately. I know this sounds kinda lame but I've been having some vertigo issues this week. That shits brutal.

I had that after a food poisoning incident. Maybe rumbler can put you on that shooter spinner and send you the opposite direction and balance it out. Just kidding! Good luck. It often goes away as suddenly as it comes on.

[Dale Gribble]

Have fun tonight boys. I've done my event for the week and I'll be at home.

Yes, I am whipped.

And its quite enjoyable!

[Jmoorewar]

Yep I'm out,wife wants to go to dinner.

[TargetShooting]

Not going tonight. Y'all enjoy.

[Jafar]

Not going tonight. Y'all enjoy.

Quit talking

[rr53]

Not going tonight. Y'all enjoy.

One must actually get an invitation before one RSVP'S........

[TargetShooting]

Quit talking

Umm...you are bit far reaching to my keyboard.

[Jafar]

Umm...you are bit far reaching to my keyboard.

And I didn't know vagina lips could walk or type.

[TargetShooting]

And I didn't know vagina lips could walk or type.

You proved it.

[Greg Kulbick]

http://i59.tinypic.com/6es3.jpg

All you need now is a stick.

[Tack Driver]

http://i59.tinypic.com/6es3.jpg

All you need now is a stick.

Not really.

If he just had something to throw at it.................. :chinscratch:

[0utlaw]

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/1061baseball_bat.jpg

[Greg Kulbick]

Not really.

If he just had something to throw at it.................. :chinscratch:
http://i62.tinypic.com/33cum2f.jpg

[Jafar]

You proved it.

Ooooooo, burned.

[Tack Driver]

Ooooooo, burned.

I hope you can make a recovery.

[thedishdoc]

You proved it.
Sew the wind, reap the whirlwind... Just saying and shit. Dude I'm surprised you can walk your balls are so big. You have no idea sir!

[thedishdoc]

On a side note once again I enjoyed the heck out of shooting with you guys. Y'all are some good shooters! Stuff I took away from this shoot.
Always try to bump a few rounds of the ammo you are gonna run thru your gun prior to showing up for a shoot. I initially intended to run my Mossy 590 at 200 on steel, but as usual you guys mixed it up with something I was not prepared for. I LIKE THAT! I've never shot slugs thru my junkyard dog mossy. Mostly number 4. Apparently slugs have more recoil which caused my crappy flip up broken half rear site to fold forward to about a 45 degree angle which resulted in rounds landing about 50 feet short of the pins. If I had known that I would have J B welded that sucker into place prior to the shoot. It shot fine first go round but it let me down in the second match. I'm calling Mossy tomorrow for a replacement or else buying one myself. Have confidence in yourself and your shooting ability! When Mike spotted for me and said I was shooting 50 feet short of the target, I assumed it was me instead of checking my sights :confused: As a result I just sped up and continued to miss, but faster. :mad: You can't miss fast enough to win a bowling pin match!:o

Second...pay frigging attention to what's happening...if I had recognized the sight flipping down I could have simply reached up between each shot and flipped it up prior to shooting and stayed in the fight. This seemed to be the first match I felt like I might have been able to win while I was shooting it. That is why I enjoy shaking this shit out with you guys before the real deal if it ever happens. Let's me see what works and what doesn't. Always a learning experience shooting with Y'all. Don't want to have to figure this shit out in the real deal on the fly dodging incoming.

Third shooting pins with slugs is a blast and slugs are devastating! Don't wanna get hit by one....EVER!

Fourth an EDC truck pistol that sits in your truck in the NFla heat day in and day out will dry fucking up! The oil goes away! Completely! Check your weapons regularly especially if it's a weapon you are depending on for self defense!!!!

That about sums up my take away for the shoot but as usual it was a blast gentlemen! I look forward to the next one and hope we can introduce an additional challenging element into the fun shoot next time. One day maybe playing cards on edge. And I still wanna beat Mike at something one day :cooler: and try the slugs at 200. Just interested to see what my weapons and myself are capable of.

[thedishdoc]

As I sit here ALONE (talking to wall A and wall B and my Dog who is awesome BTW) while my wife and kids are still up at Ft. Bragg, I'm surfing these post and I had a frigging idea. How about we shoot at some friggin golf balls sometime? (Charlie don't surf..or golf lol) Seems fitting to me. Any range you guys want. Just a random, alcohol fueled idea.

:banana:

[polebarn]

As long as the golf ball is close enough to hit it with a tossed weapon.

[Mikec2003]

As I sit here ALONE (talking to wall A and wall B and my Dog who is awesome BTW) while my wife and kids are still up at Ft. Bragg, I'm surfing these post and I had a frigging idea. How about we shoot at some friggin golf balls sometime? (Charlie don't surf..or golf lol) Seems fitting to me. Any range you guys want. Just a random, alcohol fueled idea.

:banana:

Which golf course are we going to for this?

also did you notice how much the railroad tie had moved from being hit with slugs? it was pretty impressive

[0utlaw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59kJphXBS7Q&feature=player_embedded

I'm in

[Jafar]

As I sit here ALONE (talking to wall A and wall B and my Dog who is awesome BTW) while my wife and kids are still up at Ft. Bragg, I'm surfing these post and I had a frigging idea. How about we shoot at some friggin golf balls sometime? (Charlie don't surf..or golf lol) Seems fitting to me. Any range you guys want. Just a random, alcohol fueled idea.

:banana:

http://forum.capitalcitygunforum.com/showthread.php?4621-Bowling-pin-match-for-rifles/page6&highlight=golf+ball

Post #51

[Jafar]

All you've gotta do is get some 3/4" PVC and drive them in the ground after cutting into 4' sections. They cup the balls nicely.

I'd like to come and shoot that one. Can we shoot in the prone?

[Tack Driver]

http://forum.capitalcitygunforum.com/showthread.php?4621-Bowling-pin-match-for-rifles/page6&highlight=golf+ball

Post #51

Tip of the day;

Click directly on the post #, then you can link directly to it. If you're really cool, you can just right click on the post # and copy the link addy.

http://forum.capitalcitygunforum.com/showthread.php?4621-Bowling-pin-match-for-rifles&p=66545&viewfull=1#post66545




I already gave the tip of the week to your mother.

[Jafar]

Tip of the day;

Click directly on the post #, then you can link directly to it. If you're really cool, you can just right click on the post # and copy the link addy.

http://forum.capitalcitygunforum.com/showthread.php?4621-Bowling-pin-match-for-rifles&p=66545&viewfull=1#post66545




I already gave the tip of the week to your mother.

I will not remember that if there is a repeat occasion.

[Rumbler]

Anyone got any golf balls they are willing to donate? I can come up with a deck of playing cards . . .


I'm thinking that it would not be hard to come up with something challenging . . and a little bit evil . . to do with them. :banana:

[Tack Driver]

I will not remember that if there is a repeat occasion.

Buy you books, take you to school, and what do you do? Eat the books.

Fuckin' waterhead.

[Tack Driver]

Anyone got any golf balls they are willing to donate?

Si.

[Greg Kulbick]

Anyone got any golf balls they are willing to donate? I can come up with a deck of playing cards . . .


I'm thinking that it would not be hard to come up with something challenging . . and a little bit evil . . to do with them. :banana:

I can probably scrounge up several dozen in varying degrees of condition that you can have.

[Jafar]

Anyone got any golf balls they are willing to donate? I can come up with a deck of playing cards . . .


I'm thinking that it would not be hard to come up with something challenging . . and a little bit evil . . to do with them. :banana:

They've got the rewash bags at Walbogs. I'll bring a bag if the scheduling allows me to come.

[Tack Driver]

They've got the rewash bags at Walbogs. I'll bring a bag if the scheduling allows me to come.

Not necessary. I got this. I've got more than Wal-Mart has.

[Jafar]

Non necessary. I got this.

Yeah, but you're gonna drop them off the day before right? I can't afford to wait around for 4 hours, kicking rocks and looking over my shoulder for the MGC.

[Tack Driver]

Yeah, but you're gonna drop them off the day before right? I can't afford to wait around for 4 hours, kicking rocks and looking over my shoulder for the MGC.

I don't know what the MGC is, but yeah, I can drop them off the night before.

[Tack Driver]

Or, you can bring your mouth breathing ass a couple miles down the road from Talon and pick them up.

[Jafar]

I don't know what the MGC is, but yeah, I can drop them off the night before.

Mongolian(oid) Gun Chunker

[Jafar]

Or, you can bring your mouth breathing ass a couple miles down the road from Talon and pick them up.

All that trouble I'm right back to square one going to Walbogs to buy them.

[Jafar]

I can't lookup anything safe for work to troll this...

trololololololo

[Tack Driver]

All that trouble I'm right back to square one going to Walbogs to buy them.

All what trouble. I'm across the street from the Walmart, and you don't actually have to go IN the zoo or spend the admission money to watch them throw feces. Just come pick up my sack of balls bro.

No homo.

Seriously, I'll bring them.

[Greg Kulbick]

I can't lookup anything safe for work to troll this...

You mean a cake? Ike's got the cakes covered, you just go back to stirring shit for no other reason than to stir the shit.

[Jafar]

All what trouble. I'm across the street from the Walmart, and you don't actually have to go IN the zoo or spend the admission money to watch them throw feces. Just come pick up my sack of balls bro.

No homo.

Seriously, I'll bring them.

Can one wear overalls into a place that selleth Mercedes? One thinketh not.

[0utlaw]

You mean a cake? Ike's got the cakes covered, you just go back to stirring shit for no other reason than to stir the shit.

No that's my job, when did we start doing all this FOS crossing?

[Greg Kulbick]

I don't care. One person posting cakes is enough. A second person doing it just takes too much away. It doesn't carry the same weight if everyone just goes posting cakes whenever they feel like it.

[Tack Driver]

Can one wear overalls into a place that selleth Mercedes? One thinketh not.

Of course you can. I sold a guy a $112k car that was wearing overalls.

[Tack Driver]

I don't care. One person posting cakes is enough. A second person doing it just takes too much away. It doesn't carry the same weight if everyone just goes posting cakes whenever they feel like it.

This post proves it wasn't about the cakes. He was trolling.

He got us.

Well done .

[JMW4570]

I don't care. One person posting cakes is enough. A second person doing it just takes too much away. It doesn't carry the same weight if everyone just goes posting cakes whenever they feel like it.

You don't like cake? Ok, I get it now. Maybe you need some pie. :)

. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Apple_pie.jpg

[Tack Driver]

what, no clapping leo for that one? Cheapskate.

Whatever.

http://forums.accuweather.com/uploads/post-28288-1402138005.gif

[Jafar]

So before all this gay-ness took over we were saying?

Golf ball match, with .22's? How many rounds and what kind of range?

[Tack Driver]

Golf ball match, with .22's? How many rounds and what kind of range?

You don't have any golf balls to shoot.

[Tack Driver]

And I'll give you mine on one condition;

You can't quit and take them all home if you get a little sand in your crotch.

[Jafar]

And I'll give you mine on one condition;

You can't quit and take them all home if you get a little sand in your crotch.

Will you even be there shooting?

[Tack Driver]

Will you even be there shooting?

I don't know.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/general-chit-chat/918746d1370961072-another-scandal-hillary-sex-drugs-prostitutes-minors-secret-service-cover-up-memos-what-difference-does-make.jpg

[Tack Driver]

http://forum.capitalcitygunforum.com/dbtech/thanks/images/dislikes.png Greg Kulbick (http://forum.capitalcitygunforum.com/member.php?u=252) disliked this post

Fuck you Greg.

[rr53]

I can round up 50-100 golf balls and drop them at Talon for you ladies.......

[Greg Kulbick]

http://forum.capitalcitygunforum.com/dbtech/thanks/images/dislikes.png Greg Kulbick (http://forum.capitalcitygunforum.com/member.php?u=252) disliked this post

Fuck you Greg.

No one wants to see that broad's ugly mug.

[Jafar]

I don't know.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/general-chit-chat/918746d1370961072-another-scandal-hillary-sex-drugs-prostitutes-minors-secret-service-cover-up-memos-what-difference-does-make.jpg

Me - you. Gentleman's side bet. You got a .22?

I'm gonna pick the sand grains from your lady parts at 100 yards.

[Tack Driver]

I can round up 50-100 golf balls and drop them at Talon for you ladies.......

Please, allow me. They are in the way at my place.


what are the terms for the shoot? should there be different categories(auto/bolt, caliber, distance)?

G-ddammit. Stop. We're just going to shoot them.

I say 50 yards, pick your stance, no rests, no bi-pods.

[Tack Driver]

Me - you. Gentleman's side bet. You got a .22?

I'm gonna pick the sand grains from your lady parts at 100 yards.

Of course I have a .22lr. St. Peter won't let you in if you didn't plink.

[Jafar]

Of course I have a .22lr. St. Peter won't let you in if you didn't plink.

Doesn't matter. He'll slam the gates shut for owning an AR.

[Tack Driver]

Doesn't matter. He'll slam the gates shut for owning an AR.

Non-sense. Picky Pete is all about conformity.

[Jafar]

Non-sense. Picky Pete is all about conformity.

Did you just call the Apostle Peter "Picky Pete?"

Looks like you'll actually be detouring to the ANF with Satan, Soccer Stephan, and MGC. Enjoy the weenie roast.

[Johnny]

Jafar are going to pick up the pygmys balls,in a sack no less????????????

[Tack Driver]

Did you just call the Apostle Peter "Picky Pete?"

Looks like you'll actually be detouring to the ANF with Satan, Soccer Stephan, and MGC. Enjoy the weenie roast.

I don't worship Picky Pete.

.....and I noticed you are interested in competitions at Talon now that MGC is in hiding. :chinscratch:

[Jafar]

I don't worship Picky Pete.

.....and I noticed you are interested in competitions at Talon now that MGC is in hiding. :chinscratch:

I'm weird about who I train with.

[Johnny]

Tack,whats your excuse?Jafar is a long way down the road,you are only maybe 2 miles!

[Tack Driver]

Tack,whats your excuse?Jafar is a long way down the road,you are only maybe 2 miles!

You haven't heard me make any excuses.

[Johnny]

well Jafar might show up,we know you are not !

[Tack Driver]

well Jafar might show up,we know you are not !

Nah, you don't either. You just don't know what time I'll get there.

[Johnny]

IKE! where are you?we need a cake showing Tacks Balls in a sack for Jafar to pick Up!!!!!!!!!!

[Tack Driver]

My Dad, no shit, has this on his golf bag.

http://upstartcrowtrading.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/It-Takes-Balls-to-Golf.jpg

[rr53]

I'm weird about who I train with.

Whoa Hoss !!! I know from experience that statement is simply not true.

[Tack Driver]

Whoa Hoss !!! I know from experience that statement is simply not true.

They were paying.

[Jafar]

They were paying.

And I was at Condition One at all times...

[Tack Driver]

And I was at Condition One at all times...

And they were at condition three.

ETA; I hate these "condition" classifications.

[Jafar]

And they were at condition three.

ETA; I hate these "condition" classifications.

There's not much confusion to it.

By the way just kidding guys. I was in condition 3 too. Don't want you to think I was hawking you the whole time waiting for someone to put their hands above their waist and get sent to Picky Pete. :ponder:

[Tack Driver]

There's not much confusion to it.

My way is simpler. You're armed or not.

[thedishdoc]

http://forum.capitalcitygunforum.com/showthread.php?4621-Bowling-pin-match-for-rifles/page6&highlight=golf+ball

Post #51We did that last week with pistols. I want to cut some cards.

[Jafar]

My way is simpler. You're armed or not.

You've never been to a range and asked to unload and show clear? Yeah you have. That's a condition.

[thedishdoc]

All you've gotta do is get some 3/4" PVC and drive them in the ground after cutting into 4' sections. They cup the balls nicely.

I'd like to come and shoot that one. Can we shoot in the prone? When we shot pin tops at 50 I shot from prone. Shooters started standing at low ready and then at the fire command shooters can take any position they want.

[thedishdoc]

Tip of the day;

Click directly on the post #, then you can link directly to it. If you're really cool, you can just right click on the post # and copy the link addy.

http://forum.capitalcitygunforum.com/showthread.php?4621-Bowling-pin-match-for-rifles&p=66545&viewfull=1#post66545




I already gave the tip of the week to your mother.This from a guy that won't even share a few clicks of the mouse with me. :cooler:

[thedishdoc]

Anyone got any golf balls they are willing to donate? I can come up with a deck of playing cards . . .


I'm thinking that it would not be hard to come up with something challenging . . and a little bit evil . . to do with them. :banana:I already got a deck :-) and we took a two liter plastic bottle, used my knife to cut a slot into the top, filled it with some water for weight and stuck the card in, on edge. We shot with rifles, benched at about 25 yards. That was when my 15-22 was sighted at 50. Somehow the zero got changed to 200 yards. :chinscratch:

[thedishdoc]

Mongolian(oid) Gun ChunkerDoc busts out laughing.

[thedishdoc]

I don't care. One person posting cakes is enough. A second person doing it just takes too much away. It doesn't carry the same weight if everyone just goes posting cakes whenever they feel like it.Let them eat cake said Marie shortly before being separated from her head. Rampant cake posting by multiple bakers could have a similar result.

[thedishdoc]

So before all this gay-ness took over we were saying?

Golf ball match, with .22's? How many rounds and what kind of range?Prolly 50 yards, they limit it to ten rounds, but reloading is acceptable. I'll shoot at whatever range you guys want too.

[thedishdoc]

what are the terms for the shoot? should there be different categories(auto/bolt, caliber, distance)?

Setup 10 tees/balls and first to clear the tees wins?I figured golf balls would be a .22 thing but I willing to try whatever you guys can come up with.

[thedishdoc]

Please, allow me. They are in the way at my place.



G-ddammit. Stop. We're just going to shoot them.

I say 50 yards, pick your stance, no rests, no bi-pods.Said the guy I've never seen shooting at the match.

[Mikec2003]

I'd say do it like we did the pin tops with rifles

50 yards, rimfire rifle (hell, use a pistol if you want IDGAF)

10 rounds in the magazine, have as many mags as your heart desires

start at the low ready, after firing begins, assume whatever position you want.

Optics, no optics, 17hmr, 22 WMR, 22LR, 17HM2, doesn't really matter.

[thedishdoc]

I'd say do it like we did the pin tops with rifles

50 yards, rimfire rifle (hell, use a pistol if you want IDGAF)

10 rounds in the magazine, have as many mags as your heart desires

start at the low ready, after firing begins, assume whatever position you want.

Optics, no optics, 17hmr, 22 WMR, 22LR, 17HM2, doesn't really matter.Sounds good to me.

[Rumbler]

Sissies.

I was thinking cards glued to golf balls. Split the card, THEN kill the ball. At 200.

Any rimfire/any position (at 200 yards, no yardage deduction based on age!).


















OK. OK. Just teasing.

I like Mike C.'s proposal, but common; 50 yards? If we are going to do that we need smaller targets. Maybe split the card at 50 then engage the golf ball at 200?


. . or we could just swim out to the 400 yard range and shoot golf balls at 400. . . . .or split the card at 50 then engage shotgun shell hulls at 100 . . . ??

I dunno. But I do know that if one never stretches, one never grows.:cool:

[Mikec2003]

I was thinking 50 so we don't have to move from range to range, but, whatever, I'll shoot whatever...hell, im down for a gun throwing competition, we'll use blue guns for the sake of safety of course

[thedishdoc]

Sissies.

I was thinking cards glued to golf balls. Split the card, THEN kill the ball. At 200.

Any rimfire/any position (at 200 yards, no yardage deduction based on age!).
I gotta wait on my new optic before I try cards at that range :-)

















OK. OK. Just teasing.

I like Mike C.'s proposal, but common; 50 yards? If we are going to do that we need smaller targets. Maybe split the card at 50 then engage the golf ball at 200?


. . or we could just swim out to the 400 yard range and shoot golf balls at 400. . . . .or split the card at 50 then engage shotgun shell hulls at 100 . . . ??

I dunno. But I do know that if one never stretches, one never grows.:cool:I gotta wait on my new optic before I try cards at that range :-) However I will do the hulls at 100. I've already made that shot so I know it's do-able.

[FLT]

Nah, you don't either. You just don't know what time I'll get there.

Wrong ! I always know what time you'll get there. ( LATE )

[JMW4570]

Sissies.

I dunno. But I do know that if one never stretches, one never grows.:cool:

Lets see how you do at golf balls at 50 (OFFhand). If you are real man you can shoot just the tees after you hit the balls. :)

[Rumbler]

Have you seen me shake lately? I'd be lucky to hit the planet at arms length!


. . or at least that is my story and I'm sticking to it. :cool:

[Rumbler]

I was making excuses, Ike.

I have what my doctor called "voluntary tremors" before he died. Seriously. But not my doing.:rolleyes:

Anyway . . . I can not read my own handwriting. But I don't shake when I shoot unless I am very tired. Perhaps not so oddly; the harder I try to control them, the worse they get. Once they start on the range I either have to go inside my head to "fight!" and let that mindset override everything else or just stop shooting. I just stop shooting, unless I am the only one on the range.

[JMW4570]

I can fix that with a pair of jumper cables, a deep cycle battery, and some popcorn to watch the show with.

[SB]

I can fix that with a pair of jumper cables, a deep cycle battery, and some popcorn to watch the show with.

Always startin somethin.

[JMW4570]

Us old guys got to stick together and help each other out from time to time. The first step to fixing a problem is admitting it. Don't be hating on Ol' Rumbler for repressing his inner "Elvis" You can only keep stuff like that bottled up so long before it just starts leaking out.

Mike, get yourself to a grilled peanut butter and banana sandwich until I can get you jump started and reboot the operating system.

[Johnny]

Rumbler,we always refured to the tremors like that as a dog trying to shit peach seeds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rumbler]

Johnny, aren't peaches out of season? :chinscratch:

[Johnny]

Heck,rumbler I have been out of season long I forgot what season it was,My guess ius it is close to plumb season!Maybe crab apple